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The media will tell us all about the thugs running around with guns. The media will present what it seems to hope are scary pictures of black (or white) guys with assault weapons at protests. After reading this article,though, I kinda wonder if what's really going on under the surface is the spreading of fundamentally pro-2d Amendment attitudes rather than a rush to violence. I freely admit that the source - Yahoo News - has a long record of being anything from dubious to absurd. This article seems to be reasonably well researched, reasoned and written on it's face, though. The NSSF should be a solid source for the information for which it's cited, and the FFL referred to in Austin is both very well known and very highly regarded among gun nuts in the area. Many of the comments made by black people that are cited in the article tend to be favorable enough to gun ownership to seem to be to at least balance out anything like an anti-gun reference. In other words, it's not the usual speculative and blatantly slanted crap one would expect from this particular news organization.
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pretty good article. thanks | |||
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We had about 25 new members join our gun club Saturday. Six of them were Chinese. Clearly the message" You are your only protection" is getting thru to people. RMD TL Davis: “The Second Amendment is special, not because it protects guns, but because its violation signals a government with the intention to oppress its people…” Remember: After the first one, the rest are free. | |||
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Yes I believe we are. Just as a metric....... The SIG Academy normally runs about 20 101 classes per month. Now they are almost to 100, with 3-4 running at the same time, at any given time. | |||
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I wish the article would have said “Democrat Governor Ronald Reagan... .” One can dream. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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I hate that expression with unbridled passion. A passion matched only by my disgust toward the expression “gun violence.” I don’t know about you, but I am not mentally ill (i.e., a “nut”). “Gun nut” is one more way the anti-gun forces subtly use language to disparage firearms enthusiasts. How many times have we seen or heard a media interview of someone who lived near or worked with a murderer, especially a mass murderer, where either the interviewer or the interviewee said the killer was a “gun nut”? It is a subtle way to suggest anyone with any interest in firearms is mentally ill. “Gun violence” is another such phrase. It implies an inanimate object is capable of independent action, and therefore must be highly regulated or banned. That is an outright lie. Do we hear of “claw hammer violence” or “baseball bat violence” or “barehanded violence”? Words matter. The careful, subtle use of seemingly innocuous phrases is how Goebbels slowly convinced the German people to allow their government to put people in concentration camps, for “their safety” or “the safety and security” of the nation. Remember that Dachau opened as a way to put the mentally ill and physically infirm in one place where they were unable to pollute the Nazi’s idea of “pure Aryan blood,” a twisted evil idea of the first order. The control of language is also how Stalin and Beria were able to imprison and kill millions via the Gulag. I challenge every firearms enthusiast to excise the phrases “gun nut” and “gun violence” from their vocabulary, and to challenge any one who uses those phrases to defend the use with evidence that supports the idea that an interest in firearms is an indication of mental illness or that a gun is capable of independent action of any kind, much less an act of violence. < diatribe discontinued > Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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^^^^^ I can agree with that. I don't use those phrases, anyway, and certainly think they work against us. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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Let’s hope these new gun owners vote like people who support the Second Amendment. | |||
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Unfortunately, the article's author fails to make a distinction between the lawful possession and use of a firearm and the unlawful/negligent possession and use of a firearm (or in the case of Tamir Rice, a REPLICA of a firearm). Should cellular telephones be banned because people intent on suicide by cop pointed them at officers in a manner associated with firearms, knowing they'd be shot as a response to a perceived threat? Should firearms be banned because police officers in rare circumstances might (as alleged in the Castile matter) shoot someone negligently? Should firearms be banned because victims shoot offenders that assault them for failing to recognize that armed "protesters" can shut down public highways and threaten to shoot those who want to pass by (thereby committing an assault with a deadly weapon)? While I agree with the overall tone of the article (that all Americans have the right to own and possess firearms), I think it's disingenuous of the author to describe incidents where the tool (or something that looks like it) is misused as being problematical, when the totality of the circumstances demonstrate that it's "the Indian and not the arrow" that is at issue. (Pardon the use of a non-PC descriptor! ![]() "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." | |||
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I think he's overthinking it. Quite simply, black Americans, like white, brown, yellow, red, etc., are generally law-abiding and just want to be able to own guns legally and correctly. Beyond that, a generally good article. Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the States, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet. - Dave Barry "Never go through life saying 'I should have'..." - quote from the 9/11 Boatlift Story (thanks, sdy for posting it) | |||
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I think question is, are the folks going to change their voting habits because they now have a firearm. My aunt and her husband are avid hunters, but see no need for owning an AR. My own father, who votes democrat owns a few guns, but continues to vote democrat...to my dismay. | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
^^^ I think it's already become the left's new battle cry - city councils in Seattle and Minneapolis are already considering getting entirely rid of their police departments. The thing that gets my attention is that black people may be responding by arming themselves just as anyone else might rather than buying the PC pablum that dialing 911 will protect you from anything short of an artillery barrage. Wait around. I'm holding out for that fine day when BLM announces that getting rid of the police and arming themselves actually empowers black people. At that point I'm going to think that pro-2A people have made a lasting point in black peoples' minds that owning a gun gives a person more control over their own safety. Now, how long is everyone else going to put up with not having cops? IMHO, not very long if at all. I agree. The only thing I can say in the author's defense is this: Barring the reference to Foster, that bit was lifted bodily from a HuffPost article. Both it and the part about Foster that follows it seem to be oddly disjointed parts of the overall article. My WAG is that it was just dumped in by an editor at Yahoo in order to better align the article with the editor's notions of political correctness. But yes, one potentially legit tale, two tales about mistaken shootings and a reference to some white guy who literally walked his way into a confrontation are all too obviously inserted just to ring the PC bell.
Could be. In his defense, though, he was career Austin Police Department until he (and his ex-APD partner) opened up the gun store, and he's been very active in support of 2d Amendment rights. IOW he is talking about people he knows, so if he sees a shift in attitudes then he may in fact be describing a real shift in attitudes.
My wild guess is that new buyers either haven't thought enough about guns to have fixed attitudes towards how they should be handled under the law, or they're beginning a process where they, say, oppose bans but support registration now but will eventually see registration as also being an incursion on their rights. That is, of course, just my WAG, and I have certainly been known to be overly optimistic before. | |||
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Except I have come over the idea several times from different sources including Candace Owens that gun control was started to keep freed slaves from owning guns. I'm not going to work against that take. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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I hardly see any articles asking why guns need magazines holding more than X### of rounds anymore. It's clear to see why. Maybe some of those liberal types can now see themselves as the McCloskey's, guarding their homes from the mob. Attached an article from before the recent unpleasantness to show what they were guarding. https://www.stlmag.com/design/...stern-palazzo-to-it/ ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Yup. Owning a gun doesn't necessarily equal supporting the Second Amendment. If you think all of a suddden, these libbies would flock to our side with their votes, you're sadly mistaken. Q | |||
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So, all new gun owners who are black are "libbies"? You're asian, right? How do you like being pigeonholed? And don't tell me it's never happened to you in your life. | |||
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The focus shouldn't be geared towards making/wanting/wishing new gun owners would vote for pro-2a cantidates. New gun owners arent enthusiasts and so they are unlikely to base their vote simply on that. What we should hope for is that they signal to the politicians they do support that they have no appetite for gun control laws. The more people that do that, the less it becomes a priority for politicians who like gun control. Thr same way the Republican party dropped their desire for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage because most Repiblicans stopped caring or became accepting of gay marriage, the best we can hope is the Democrat party gives up on gun control as their party memebers begin caring more about gun rights. Gun ownership shouldnt be a partisan issue. | |||
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Support for the 2A? I don't know, none of us really do. We all have heard plenty of antidotal evidence from our favorite gun counter guy, but it's just that...antidotal. What I think is very clear is that a meaningful number of Americans who never felt the need to purchase a firearm to defend themselves and their families sudden feel so compelled. Does that mean they will vote Republican or pro 2A? Not necessarily, but I have a hard time believing that most of these people are buying said guns to protect themselves from right wing Trump supporters. I think they're buying them to defend themeselves against rioters. So pro 2A? I don't know. But, anti rioters? yeah definitely. I think that will help with some independents; most normal folks look at what's happening in Portland and are scared of it/don't want it. | |||
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