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The media will tell us all about the thugs running around with guns. The media will present what it seems to hope are scary pictures of black (or white) guys with assault weapons at protests. After reading this article,though, I kinda wonder if what's really going on under the surface is the spreading of fundamentally pro-2d Amendment attitudes rather than a rush to violence.

I freely admit that the source - Yahoo News - has a long record of being anything from dubious to absurd. This article seems to be reasonably well researched, reasoned and written on it's face, though. The NSSF should be a solid source for the information for which it's cited, and the FFL referred to in Austin is both very well known and very highly regarded among gun nuts in the area. Many of the comments made by black people that are cited in the article tend to be favorable enough to gun ownership to seem to be to at least balance out anything like an anti-gun reference. In other words, it's not the usual speculative and blatantly slanted crap one would expect from this particular news organization.

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Gun Sales Spike Among African-Americans: 'Our Ancestors Died For Us To Vote, They Also Died For Us To Be Able To Carry Guns'
Marguise Francis, Yahoo News, Aug. 3, 2020

When Americans panic, they buy guns - lots of them. During the first six months of 2020, amid a global coronavirus pandemic, gun retailers have reported a record 10.3 million firearm transactions, according to a new survey by the National Shooting Sports Foundation. Overall, gun sales in the U.S. have increased by 95 percent while ammunition sales have increased 139 percent compared to the same period last year.

And while various demographic groups are buying guns in 2020, African-Americans account for the highest increase in gun purchases of any group. "The highest overall firearm sales increase comes from Black men and women, who show a 58.2% increase in purchases during the first six months of 2020 versus the same period last year," Jim Curcuruto, NSSF director of research and market development, wrote in his report. "Bottom line is that there has never been a sustained surge in firearms sales quite like what we are in the midst of."

In many states, estimated gun sales doubled in March compared to February. In Utah, they nearly tripled. And in Michigan, a coronavirus hot spot, sales more than tripled. Yet it's not the first time guns sales have surged following an event with national implications. In 2012, more than 3 million were purchased in the months after the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, in which a gunman killed 26 people, including 20 children, in Newtown, Conn. After this tragedy, Americans feared stricter gun laws so they bought more guns. In the eight years under President Obama, the gun industry grew 158 percent, according to the NSSF, over fears of impending gun control.

While much of the spike in sales early on can be attributed to uncertainty surrounding buisness shutdowns and initial stay-at-home orders because of COVID-19 precautions, more recent sales may be due to an uneasiness around Black Lives Matter rallies and increased calls to defund police departments. Michael Cargill, a Black man and owner of Central Texas Gun Works in Austin, Texas, says that amid all the anxiety over the pandemic and rallies, people are buying guns to take personal responsibility for their safety. "People were concerned with people breaking into their home or breaking into their vehicle or attacking them while they're in their vehicles [after COVID-19]," he said in a video interview with Yahoo News. "So people wanted to take their own protection into their own hands."

In the past few months, Cargill says he's seen triple the amoung of people coming into his store wanting to purchase firearms, and he's noticed a surge in Black customers in particular. Cargill believes Black people are buying more guns because they are getting more educated on the history of gun control. "They're understanding that gun control first started in the 1800s...so people are realizing that every time there's a gun law that's targeting a certain group of people, it's usually the African-American group," he said. "So they're saying, with everything going on, we've got to make sure that we're legal with this firearm. We're going to make sure we know what the law is, we want to make sure we know where we can take it, where we can't take it."

History shows that gun control laws have always been unfavorable to Black Americans. Even before America was a country, Black people were banned from owning guns. "The first gun control law in the territory that is now the United States was passed in Virginia in 1640," journalist Daniel Rivero noted in a 2016 Splinter article. "It explicitly banned black people from owning guns, even if they were not slaves." More than 200 years later, in 1857, the prospect of armed Black people became a crucial factor in the Dred Scott case. As Scott attempted to become an American citizen with all its inalienable rights that include owning a gun, the court ruled that "a negro, whose ancestors were imported into this country, and sold as slaves," were not "intended in to be included in the general words used in [the Constitution]." Following the Civil War, when Black people atempted to arm themselves against white supremacists, Southern state governments passed so-called black codes barring them from owning guns. Throughout the 1960s, the Black Panthers chose to open carry in California as a sign to police that they would no longer endure racial attacks. In 1967, 30 Black Panthers protested on the steps of the California state house armed with shotguns and pistols. They announced that "the time has come for Black people to arm themselves." The move frightened politicans, and it wasn't long before then-Gov. Ronald Reagan signed a state ban on open carry into law, called the Mulford Act.

Whitney Davis of Houston admits that learning more about Black history is the reason why she recently purchased two guns for herself. "I realize in this country a long time ago, Black people weren't even allowed to own guns," she said. Davis' dad grew up on a ranch in rural Texas, where over his lifetime he accrued a lot of guns, but it wasn't until Davis learned more about her black ancestors that she felt motivated to buy guns of her own. "So just like people promote that our ancestors died for us to vote, they also died for us to be able to carry guns as well," she said. "So I wanted to fulfill what my ancestors weren't able to do in the past." Davis endorses a common rationale voiced by proponents of easing restrictions on guns. "If everybody knows that everybody has a gun then maybe you're a lot less likely to attack people or hurt people," she said. "If everyone knows, if you have a gun, I got one too, it's an equal playing field."

Despite the increase in Black gun ownership and general knowledge about Black history, many Black people have still lost their lives over owning a gun. "In 2016, legal gun owner Philando Catile was shot after informing a Minnesota police officer that he was armed," HuffPost's Julia Craven wrote. "Two years prior, Tamir Rice was killed by Cleveland police while holding a toy gun. John Crawford suffered the same fate in a Beavercreek, Ohio, Walmart." On July 25, Garrett Foster, a white man, attended a Black Lives Matter protest in Austin, Texas, carrying a semi-automatic rifle. After a confrontation with a motorist, Foster was shot dead on July 25.

The move for African-Americans to own guns appears to be a break from the progressive movement in American politics, which people of color generally align with. The Congressional Black Caucus has pushed for stricter gun control measures in the past, most recently following two mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio. "We have worked very vigorously with House Democrats to pass universal background check legislation," Rep. Karen Bass, D-Calif., chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, said in the aftermath of these two tragedies. The lawmaker said the CBC has also backed a bill to ban a loophole in gun control introduced by Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C. Rep. Bass did not return Yahoo News' request for comment.

But Republicans have been consistently resistant to increased gun control measures. In response to the CBC's push, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Congress is "in holding pattern" on gun control. "I still await guidance from the White House as to what [Trump} thinks he's comfortable signing," the Kentucky Republican said last September. "If and when that happens, then we'll have a real possibility of actually changing the law and hopefully making some progress."

Maj Toure, founder of Black Guns Matter, a nonprofit that educates people in urban communities on their Second Amendment rights through firearms training and education, believes that the more Black people who have guns, the better race relations will be in America. "If everyone has the right mindset with a gun, that solves race issues," Toure told Yahoo News in a phone interview. "An armed society is a polite society." Toure advocates for Black gun ownership as a tool for self-defense and pushes gun safety. But he acknowledges the fact that fear makes people buy things. Toure welcomes this. "I love that so many Black people are buying guns," he said. "If you're a racist...and you think that one group is inferior to another, then you should be afraid."

Some compression for space; original text at http://www.yahoo.com/news/gun-...-guns-215942257.html
 
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We had about 25 new members join our gun club Saturday. Six of them were Chinese. Clearly the message" You are your only protection" is getting thru to people.

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We had about 25 new members join our gun club Saturday. Six of them were Chinese. Clearly the message" You are your only protection" is getting thru to people.

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Yes I believe we are. Just as a metric.......

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I wish the article would have said “Democrat Governor Ronald Reagan... .” One can dream.



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... gun nuts....


I hate that expression with unbridled passion.

A passion matched only by my disgust toward the expression “gun violence.”

I don’t know about you, but I am not mentally ill (i.e., a “nut”).

“Gun nut” is one more way the anti-gun forces subtly use language to disparage firearms enthusiasts.

How many times have we seen or heard a media interview of someone who lived near or worked with a murderer, especially a mass murderer, where either the interviewer or the interviewee said the killer was a “gun nut”?

It is a subtle way to suggest anyone with any interest in firearms is mentally ill.

“Gun violence” is another such phrase. It implies an inanimate object is capable of independent action, and therefore must be highly regulated or banned. That is an outright lie. Do we hear of “claw hammer violence” or “baseball bat violence” or “barehanded violence”?

Words matter. The careful, subtle use of seemingly innocuous phrases is how Goebbels slowly convinced the German people to allow their government to put people in concentration camps, for “their safety” or “the safety and security” of the nation. Remember that Dachau opened as a way to put the mentally ill and physically infirm in one place where they were unable to pollute the Nazi’s idea of “pure Aryan blood,” a twisted evil idea of the first order. The control of language is also how Stalin and Beria were able to imprison and kill millions via the Gulag.

I challenge every firearms enthusiast to excise the phrases “gun nut” and “gun violence” from their vocabulary, and to challenge any one who uses those phrases to defend the use with evidence that supports the idea that an interest in firearms is an indication of mental illness or that a gun is capable of independent action of any kind, much less an act of violence.

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^^^^^ I can agree with that. I don't use those phrases, anyway, and certainly think they work against us.

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Let’s hope these new gun owners vote like people who support the Second Amendment.
 
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Despite the increase in Black gun ownership and general knowledge about Black history, many Black people have still lost their lives over owning a gun. "In 2016, legal gun owner Philando Catile was shot after informing a Minnesota police officer that he was armed," HuffPost's Julia Craven wrote. "Two years prior, Tamir Rice was killed by Cleveland police while holding a toy gun. John Crawford suffered the same fate in a Beavercreek, Ohio, Walmart." On July 25, Garrett Foster, a white man, attended a Black Lives Matter protest in Austin, Texas, carrying a semi-automatic rifle. After a confrontation with a motorist, Foster was shot dead on July 25.


Unfortunately, the article's author fails to make a distinction between the lawful possession and use of a firearm and the unlawful/negligent possession and use of a firearm (or in the case of Tamir Rice, a REPLICA of a firearm). Should cellular telephones be banned because people intent on suicide by cop pointed them at officers in a manner associated with firearms, knowing they'd be shot as a response to a perceived threat? Should firearms be banned because police officers in rare circumstances might (as alleged in the Castile matter) shoot someone negligently? Should firearms be banned because victims shoot offenders that assault them for failing to recognize that armed "protesters" can shut down public highways and threaten to shoot those who want to pass by (thereby committing an assault with a deadly weapon)?

While I agree with the overall tone of the article (that all Americans have the right to own and possess firearms), I think it's disingenuous of the author to describe incidents where the tool (or something that looks like it) is misused as being problematical, when the totality of the circumstances demonstrate that it's "the Indian and not the arrow" that is at issue. (Pardon the use of a non-PC descriptor! Wink)


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"They're understanding that gun control first started in the 1800s...so people are realizing that every time there's a gun law that's targeting a certain group of people, it's usually the African-American group," he said.


I think he's overthinking it. Quite simply, black Americans, like white, brown, yellow, red, etc., are generally law-abiding and just want to be able to own guns legally and correctly.

Beyond that, a generally good article.




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I think question is, are the folks going to change their voting habits because they now have a firearm. My aunt and her husband are avid hunters, but see no need for owning an AR. My own father, who votes democrat owns a few guns, but continues to vote democrat...to my dismay.
 
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Will this become the left's new battle cry?

https://www.mynbc5.com/article...arm-police/28701733#
 
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^^^ I think it's already become the left's new battle cry - city councils in Seattle and Minneapolis are already considering getting entirely rid of their police departments. The thing that gets my attention is that black people may be responding by arming themselves just as anyone else might rather than buying the PC pablum that dialing 911 will protect you from anything short of an artillery barrage. Wait around.

I'm holding out for that fine day when BLM announces that getting rid of the police and arming themselves actually empowers black people. At that point I'm going to think that pro-2A people have made a lasting point in black peoples' minds that owning a gun gives a person more control over their own safety. Now, how long is everyone else going to put up with not having cops? IMHO, not very long if at all.
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Unfortunately, the article's author fails to make a distinction between the lawful possession and use of a firearm and the unlawful/negligent possession and use of a firearm (or in the case of Tamir Rice, a REPLICA of a firearm).
I agree. The only thing I can say in the author's defense is this: Barring the reference to Foster, that bit was lifted bodily from a HuffPost article. Both it and the part about Foster that follows it seem to be oddly disjointed parts of the overall article. My WAG is that it was just dumped in by an editor at Yahoo in order to better align the article with the editor's notions of political correctness. But yes, one potentially legit tale, two tales about mistaken shootings and a reference to some white guy who literally walked his way into a confrontation are all too obviously inserted just to ring the PC bell.
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I think he's overthinking it.

Could be. In his defense, though, he was career Austin Police Department until he (and his ex-APD partner) opened up the gun store, and he's been very active in support of 2d Amendment rights. IOW he is talking about people he knows, so if he sees a shift in attitudes then he may in fact be describing a real shift in attitudes.
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I think the question is, are folks going to change their voting habits because they now have a firearm.

My wild guess is that new buyers either haven't thought enough about guns to have fixed attitudes towards how they should be handled under the law, or they're beginning a process where they, say, oppose bans but support registration now but will eventually see registration as also being an incursion on their rights. That is, of course, just my WAG, and I have certainly been known to be overly optimistic before.
 
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"They're understanding that gun control first started in the 1800s...so people are realizing that every time there's a gun law that's targeting a certain group of people, it's usually the African-American group," he said.


I think he's overthinking it. Quite simply, black Americans, like white, brown, yellow, red, etc., are generally law-abiding and just want to be able to own guns legally and correctly.

Beyond that, a generally good article.


Except I have come over the idea several times from different sources including Candace Owens that gun control was started to keep freed slaves from owning guns.

I'm not going to work against that take.



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I hardly see any articles asking why guns need magazines holding more than X### of rounds anymore. It's clear to see why.
Maybe some of those liberal types can now see themselves as the McCloskey's, guarding their homes from the mob.

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I think question is, are the folks going to change their voting habits because they now have a firearm. My aunt and her husband are avid hunters, but see no need for owning an AR. My own father, who votes democrat owns a few guns, but continues to vote democrat...to my dismay.

Yup. Owning a gun doesn't necessarily equal supporting the Second Amendment. If you think all of a suddden, these libbies would flock to our side with their votes, you're sadly mistaken.


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So, all new gun owners who are black are "libbies"?

You're asian, right? How do you like being pigeonholed? And don't tell me it's never happened to you in your life.
 
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The focus shouldn't be geared towards making/wanting/wishing new gun owners would vote for pro-2a cantidates. New gun owners arent enthusiasts and so they are unlikely to base their vote simply on that.


What we should hope for is that they signal to the politicians they do support that they have no appetite for gun control laws. The more people that do that, the less it becomes a priority for politicians who like gun control.

Thr same way the Republican party dropped their desire for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage because most Repiblicans stopped caring or became accepting of gay marriage, the best we can hope is the Democrat party gives up on gun control as their party memebers begin caring more about gun rights.

Gun ownership shouldnt be a partisan issue.
 
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Support for the 2A? I don't know, none of us really do. We all have heard plenty of antidotal evidence from our favorite gun counter guy, but it's just that...antidotal.

What I think is very clear is that a meaningful number of Americans who never felt the need to purchase a firearm to defend themselves and their families sudden feel so compelled.

Does that mean they will vote Republican or pro 2A? Not necessarily, but I have a hard time believing that most of these people are buying said guns to protect themselves from right wing Trump supporters. I think they're buying them to defend themeselves against rioters.

So pro 2A? I don't know. But, anti rioters? yeah definitely. I think that will help with some independents; most normal folks look at what's happening in Portland and are scared of it/don't want it.
 
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Support for the 2A? I don't know, none of us really do. We all have heard plenty of antidotal evidence from our favorite gun counter guy, but it's just that...antidotal.
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