February 22, 2024, 03:16 PM
AglifterMea culpa. I didn’t mean to imply that people should carry full size guns.
I usually just carry a J frame. (Sometimes an FN 5.7 - which is large, but very light.)
When I worked next door to a drug stash warehouse, and was much younger, I carried G20s.
We don’t worry about it at the new plant, nearly as much. If stuff is weird, we go back to carrying G20s/my brother carries 21s.
The biggest thing there, is having a retention holster, to be sure it doesn’t pop out while working on a machine, etc if one of us is working at a weird hour alone, etc.
But, part of the reason we did carry G21s, is they really aren’t all that much larger than a G19.
February 22, 2024, 03:48 PM
slosigThe second video touched covered most of the thoughts that occur to me.
Even if capacity limited by kommunist laws, it makes sense to carry a spare magazine as the magazine is often implicated in issues with semiautomatic pistols.
If one stuck behind kommunist walls had the benefit of Freedom Week (all hail Saint Benitez) it’s really hard to think of a reason that the at least two magazines that one carries shouldn’t at least be normal capacity, if not highest flush-fit capacity, and perhaps even extended magazine(s) for the spare(s).
Realistically, in my life the odds are vanishingly small that I will ever need to present a firearm, much less fire it, at all. So why carry at all? Because vanishingly small is not the same as zero, and besides that, I don’t have a crystal ball, much less a functioning one.
I choose to take responsibility for the safety of my family and myself. Having made that decision, it seems silly to not be as prepared as possible for whatever I can be prepared for, regardless of any statistics, real or more likely made up Fuddlore horse feces.
February 22, 2024, 07:29 PM
bendableIn life transition is inevitable.
I never needed to carry a gun, I never knew anyone who did,
Transition started in L.A. ,
I knew about revolvers so that's what I carried.
Then in AZ I transitioned to a semi auto,
Two years later I transitioned to carrying a spare magazine.
Now ,
I am considering a folding carbine in a mandolin case.
( With a spare magazine)
February 22, 2024, 08:54 PM
wrightdResponding to the comments so far, including those arising from my lack of sufficient explanation of my original points, and also after reading everything here that I might be wrong, in particular by the facts discussed by Mas:
Q) So, you don't agree with civilians carrying hi-cap / extra-cap self defense pistols?
A) No I don't think that at all. I was thinking why the hell should I need so many rounds. But after hearing the comments and reflecting on the details Mas discussed, that position may be old fashioned.
Q) Training, training, training.
A) Agreed. As in good training under stress, you would use the appropriate number of bullets regardless of the amount you're carrying.
Q) Btw, you don't need to face a "mob" to need extra ammo. Just one thug with an AR pistol is enough to change your mind.
A) Good point. Really good point.
Q) These days the bad guys run in groups. Video of these hoards are all over the internet. Better to have it and not need it.
A) Same anwer again. Very good point.
Q) The thugs around here like to gang up and attack in groups.
A) I'm seeing that on video. Good point, as things heat up, it's a matter of time for some, but noone knows who they are.
Q) Am I understanding your logic that if someone carries a standard cap magazine, hi capacity in your words, that automatically means they'll pray and spray?
A) Maybe. But that could be the product of lack of training, particularly training under stress.
Q) Do you carry spare magazines?
A) Yes, unless it's a pocket revolver. I don't have the dexterity or practice to reload a revolver under stress, it's not like refreshing a pistol magazine.
Q) The various points about lack of data regarding less than x shots is less than x seconds.
A) I always believed this. Apparently it was never true, or is less true these days given the new nature of crime.
Q) Could be a number of people in a group or it could be you in your first high stress situation missing shots or worse, you getting wounded.
A) Never thought about that. The older I get the more likely that could happen.
Q) Its a matter of risk assessment for me. And I can change if the risk increases. Which, inevitably, it will given the direction we are moving as a society.
A) Good point, I hear these things, but never put it all together.
Q) My acquaintence emptied his revolver into the guy before the guy quit, DRT. He did not have a reload.
A) Good point. He probably considered himself lucky the perp folded.
Q) Deputy proceeded to shoot 28 times before a CNS hit crumpled him up.
A) Damn. My 5 shot roscoe would have been bad in that situation.
Q) I would always prefer options. More ammo is more options. And yes carrying more ammo has absolutely nothing to do with spray and pray.
A) Great summary about options. I have lots of emer meds with me at all times, appears my lightweight configuration is wanting.
Q) One thing they all had in common is at one time or the other is at they will fail... it's a fact of life. It may a minor malfunction or a major but it will happen. It's happened to me more than once.
A) Good point. I don't shoot IDPA, but since you guys with the best guns DO have failures under stress, it's incumbent on us to assume the same under more life-and-death type stress.
Q) magazines do get dropped
A) Good point. I drop shit more than I used to, it's a thing.
Q) I think the OP is so wrong here that I hope he is just trolling us and not serious.
A) Nope, I'm not a troller. But I do like to roll around in a topic, it's how I learn since my imagination isn't that great.
Q) What do you mean by "high capacity" magazines?
A) I was comparing Mas' recommendations to my older style guns, with 5, 6, and 7 rounds, like a P220. I thought that was a quitessential SD piece. Times have changed.
Q) In a backup pistol, low capacity is often necessary, but a primary, I want at least fifteen rounds in the pistol.
A) Coming from you Para, I'm hearing it. That's an eye opener considering everything else discussed so far.
Q) My biggest worry isn't one idiot. It's 4 idiots in a car, either behind me, or in front of me, that do something stupid. All of s sudden, the 938 or 1911 with 7 or 8+1 doesn't seem like such a good idea, given that even cops don't hit that many of their shots percentage wise. 2 shots per assailant for incapacity isn't much in a dynamic environment, and I don't want to be screwing around with a reload while pookie is pumping 9s into me.
A) Well damn. I would have never imagined that scenario, like I said, I lack imagination, living in the past. Great point.
Q) The world has changed, gentlemen.
A) Yes it has, I stand corrected.
Q) “the only time there is such thing as too much ammo is while swimming or on fire.”
A) or swimming WHILE on fire. fixed it.
Q) That stuff ain't featherweight or compact. Don't even get me started on the expense.
A) Para has a good point. I think this is one of my concerns in my original post, UNLESS I was in a very bad environment, and typically I don't think I am, but the times have changed.
Q) it's not just the good guys wearing it today.
A) Never thought about that. That sucks.
Q) Realistically, in my life the odds are vanishingly small that I will ever need to present a firearm
A) I was thinking the same thing until I read all the comments and information presented so far.
Q) What's Fuddlore.
A) I just looked it up. I may be really behind the times. I'll check it out, I may be one of them and didn't know it. I hate it when that happens.
Q) Who am I to disagree with Massad Ayoob in which I consider to be the leading authority on the subject.
A) Probably the best point so far, I love Mas. He's the real deal on multiple fronts, and for a long time on all of them.
Q) In life transition is inevitable....
A) Yea that's squarely on me, life passes me by all the time. Seems like there is a better way to process it than by looking in the rear view mirror.
IN SUMMARY, it looks like I'm way behind the times.
Thanks Everyone, very much.
I hope we can keep this going, the more ideas I hear the better I'll be able to fix my standard load out.
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