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It's a very cool place with a super rich history. The last 70 years is a minuscule percentage of China's history and what there is to see there.


I am bewildered with your post. I have never seen anything like this on THIS forum. I am so taken aback to see such a thing here.



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I don't get wrapped up in the politics when I travel to foreign countries. I don't ignore it, but I don't let it color everything I see and do.

Most countries, cultures, nation-states, etc. are exponentially older than the US, and their current politics and recent history are but a small part of the whole picture. I'm not defending anything about the CCP. They are a thugocracy. But, having spent time in the cities and villages in the real East Germany back when it was the DDR, and then going to China for the first time around 2005, there were no similarities.

I get that the PRC still has an authoritarian gov't. But you don't feel like you're constantly being watched and everyone around you is in fear of the secret police when you're in China. It was the opposite in E. Germany. I know plenty of Chinese people who never want to leave there and plenty here who plan to move back someday. Never met anyone who fled eastern Europe back in the day and wanted to go back then or even now.

There is great wealth and opulence all around the big cities in China. I've been to the countryside too, and that's like going back 500 years in time. But the countryside is also where the current regime does not have much of a presence or even full control. So it's kind of cool to get out there and away from all the modernity and hustle and bustle of the cities. If China were still a real communist country, everyone but the political elite would still be poor. They have a large middle class, probably larger than the entire population of the US. That didn't happen because the CCP just handed them their wealth. Ah hell, why bother? If you haven't been there, you have no idea. I haven't been there in about eight years, but Mrs. Lee's parents come visit us every year or two and seem to be doing just fine, having worked regular day and side jobs for their whole lives before retiring. We don't send them money and they're doing just fine. And they were both sent to countryside to work during the Cultural Revolution.

I just got back from two weeks in Europe, where I was constantly bombarded with questions about Trump, accusations of white supremacy, how great Obama was, how bad guns are, etc. I was in Germany, Austria, CZ, Slovenia and Italy. If I had let the politics overshadow my trip, I'd have been miserable.


On your next visit, pack a couple of bibles and some books on the Tiananmen Square massacre.
Then you will know what "miserable" feels like.

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It is SUCH a wonderful police state. . .



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Yeah, all those happy Chinese leaving their farmland to work at Foxconn to make $200 a month and live in a 100 sq ft room. I'd love to hear of an example of a US company needing to install suicide nets to stop their employees from jumping to their deaths!!! It's amazing how a spit-shine seems to make everyone forget reality.
 
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I don't get wrapped up in the politics when I travel to foreign countries. I don't ignore it, but I don't let it color everything I see and do.


In other words, I hear no evil, see no evil...


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I get that the PRC still has an authoritarian gov't. But you don't feel like you're constantly being watched and everyone around you is in fear of the secret police when you're in China. It was the opposite in E. Germany.


Amazing what camera technology we have nowadays.


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I know plenty of Chinese people who never want to leave there and plenty here who plan to move back someday.


Don't get me started on how the Liberals in higher education are educating the Chicoms here and earning big $ to do so.

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There is great wealth and opulence all around the big cities in China.


Paid for by our technology being ripped off and by dumbass, short-sighted politicians in the West.

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If China were still a real communist country, everyone but the political elite would still be poor. They have a large middle class, probably larger than the entire population of the US.


Were still real??? China has more people that are starving, more political prisoners and more firing squads than any nation on Earth.

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That didn't happen because the CCP just handed them their wealth.


No, they duplicated it without license.

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Ah hell, why bother? If you haven't been there, you have no idea. I haven't been there in about eight years...

I just got back from two weeks in Europe, where I was constantly bombarded with questions about Trump, accusations of white supremacy, how great Obama was, how bad guns are, etc. I was in Germany, Austria, CZ, Slovenia and Italy. If I had let the politics overshadow my trip, I'd have been miserable.


Please holster your holier and wiser than thou speech. I've been to China twice on business, the most recent six years ago. I was also in the UK, France, Switzerland, Austria and Poland in the last two months... I heard one complaint about the U.S. and many Trump well wishes on my last visit. Maybe the difference is because you give off a vibe that liberals like to open up to you. Regardless don't paint the European Continent with too wide a brush, as there are plenty of decent folk who still enjoy freedoms there that Mrs. Lee could only dream of.
 
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I haven't defended the CCP in any way, shape or form. WTF?

We have cameras everywhere in the US and Europe too. They may not all be under gov't. control or there for the same reasons, but we all know gov't. can get that footage anytime they want.

I'm not liberal in any way. But I have been going to Europe about once a year for 30 years to visit friends and sightsee. I've been there on business twice. In the last two weeks there I ate one dinner alone. I was with friends all the time, and many of them know I'm a righty, own guns, and so ask about things in the US they suspect their own media doesn't report too well on.

And WTF does the suicide rate with Foxconn employees have to do with anything? How do you even think that stuff up? Are you expecting me to explain, defend or take responsibility for it?
 
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Yes, those days sucked for most living then, but several generations since are living pretty well by comparison. And every peasant from the countryside who moved to the city to work in a factory only did so because that was a better job than subsistence farming. Previous generations didn't have that option.

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Maybe you should save your WTFs and just re-read what you wrote.... Better life? I didn't dream Foxconn up...it's a fact! I guess you probably missed the news on Nike and other manufacturers using child labor, indentured labor and unfair trade practices for decades. Currency manipulation. Lack of environmental compliance. Just a couple of things anyone with a keyboard could see.

I have no problem with you visiting China but don't sugarcoat it like the everyday people have some grand-ass life.
 
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Yes, those days sucked for most living then, but several generations since are living pretty well by comparison. And every peasant from the countryside who moved to the city to work in a factory only did so because that was a better job than subsistence farming. Previous generations didn't have that option.

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Maybe you should save your WTFs and just re-read what you wrote.... Better life? I didn't dream Foxconn up...it's a fact! I guess you probably missed the news on Nike and other manufacturers using child labor, indentured labor and unfair trade practices for decades. Currency manipulation. Lack of environmental compliance. Just a couple of things anyone with a keyboard could see.

I have no problem with you visiting China but don't sugarcoat it like the everyday people have some grand-ass life.


I don't how I sugarcoated it. I was visiting China before there was a Foxconn factory, as in even fewer jobs and lower pay for those kids who moved to the city from the countryside. None of them do that because they aspire to live in a dorm and make $100-200/mo. But it is a better life than where they came from, or else they wouldn't do it. They have a labor supply we cannot fathom, and that makes wages low.

Boycotting products made in China is not going to improve the life of one of those workers. Ditto for enticing those companies to move their factories to the US. I'd always rather help our workers and economy than theirs, but I don't have a choice (yet) of buying some products I need for my work or way of life from whichever country of origin I want.

I've never heard anyone say China had clean air or good environmental stewardship. But if I based my travel destinations solely on the politics of every country, I'd not be able to leave the house.
 
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Enjoy you next trip, hope it won't be last and came home safely.
BAT (百度,亞里,腾信) three biggest so call private own business all CEO were retired or resigned and handed over the company to the government.
Please don't come here to defend the evil regime without fully understand wtf is truly going on.
They are a threat to the free world, all their weapons they show off either get from espionage or buy from greedy cooperation. They are expanding their militarily quickly won't be suprise CCP is the reason for third world war.
I am out.
 
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I'm sure President Trump is just being polite for politeness' sake. Nothing more; nothing less.
He's the Diplomat in Cheif. Unless it serves some purpose why would he do or say anything other than what he said.
I believe you and I are in agreement, Skins. My post was actually a left-handed response to Balze Halze's post very early in this thread, in that he was in disbelief President Trump would tweet a congratulations to President Xi.



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Update CCP claimed they have stealth jet fighter only 5 of them show up at the shit show so far they only have 7 in total. Yeah keeping up with US military my fucking ass.
The unman aircraft is a mini copycat of our B2 shameless pos.
 
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Update CCP claimed they have stealth jet fighter only 5 of them show up at the shit show so far they only have 7 in total. Yeah keeping up with US military my fucking ass.
The unman aircraft is a mini copycat of our B2 shameless pos.


You remember when we "accidentally" bombed the Chinese embassy in Sarajevo about 20+ years ago? And right before that an F-117 had gone down over Bosnia-Herzogovina? My Chinese ex-GF told me it was never an accident that we bombed their embassy. We did it late at night, when it'd likely be empty or near empty, in order to destroy whatever pieces of that F-117 wreckage their agents had been able to spirit away from the crash site. She said everyone in China thought that. Dunno if that's true, but I thought it was interesting.
 
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...wonderful and fascinating history prior to that, rich in culture it was, and now it lies in ruin.


Nah, it lies in Taiwan. They just couldn't pack everything up and take it with them as they were being chased out.

Rick Lee, any chance you're related to Alejandro Cao de Benos?

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You remember when we "accidentally" bombed the Chinese embassy in Sarajevo about 20+ years ago? And right before that an F-117 had gone down over Bosnia-Herzogovina? My Chinese ex-GF told me it was never an accident that we bombed their embassy. We did it late at night, when it'd likely be empty or near empty, in order to destroy whatever pieces of that F-117 wreckage their agents had been able to spirit away from the crash site. She said everyone in China thought that. Dunno if that's true, but I thought it was interesting.

Damn. Attaboy. Keep digging Rick, and you'll eventually be back in China before you know it.
 
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I truly believe that China’s expansionist policies will eventually result in the next major world conflict. They are ruled by an evil class of leaders bent on world domination and think in terms of a thousand years in the future, instead of a single generation.

The Chinese government is complicit in manufacturing and exporting a myriad of illicit poisonous drugs to the US and other countries. Anyone that thinks you can engage in this behavior without the full knowledge and consent of the people in power is either lying to themselves or truly ignorant in the extreme.

I can only hope that all of the tech they’ve STOLEN over the years fails to do more than look up to the task. There is a lot more to stealth than just looking stealthy.

I also believe we have weapons systems on the back burners that we won’t roll out until the threat is great enough. I hope we never find out but they are not to be trusted in any capacity.




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I'm sure President Trump is just being polite for politeness' sake. Nothing more; nothing less.
He's the Diplomat in Cheif. Unless it serves some purpose why would he do or say anything other than what he said.
I believe you and I are in agreement, Skins. My post was actually a left-handed response to Balze Halze's post very early in this thread, in that he was in disbelief President Trump would tweet a congratulations to President Xi.


That tweet was a tact acknowledgement that the PRC is a total player on the world stage, and needs to be taken as a peer and not a regional power. Also, remember that politics creates strange bed fellows. You need to keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.


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I guess the President can say what he wants to.

But he should not have given China any credence.

I've never been to China, but their culture based on animal cruelty parallels their modern human rights suppresion,

There are many more than you would imagine in China wanting to change these practices.


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