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Cummins to pay record-setting $1.675 billion US environmental fine
December 26, 2023, 10:10 PM
mrvmaxCummins to pay record-setting $1.675 billion US environmental fine
Have a mechanic friend who had one of the VW diesels and he refused to return it. They kept upping the offer to buy it back until he could not refuse it.
If I had a truck affected I would not take it back. We coukd be getting 50 plus mpg in diesel cars if not for the govt constraints.
December 27, 2023, 04:29 AM
4MUL8R https://www.thedrive.com/news/...with-truck-emissionsThere are people in power who want to destroy the ICE any way they can. For a reason one can repeat (the environment) but the reason we cannot understand (clean ICE exist).
These aftermarket builders were guilty of incredible stupidity, putting a show on with high performance ICE and becoming a target for those in power.
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December 27, 2023, 04:43 AM
Ace31Money will most likely be disbursed/washed in three ways:
1 Direct Political payoffs.
2 DOD > Lobbyists > Politicians payoffs.
3 EPA research projects > contractors > owned by politicians.
Either way, we get screwed as the rich get richer, poor get poorer and the middle class continues to disappear.
Worse than the above, we still have to see that puppet bitch Greta barking her global warming garbage.

December 27, 2023, 08:08 AM
ruger357What bullshit. They will bankrupt the car companies with these fines and only help them if they build electric shit. And the money goes to China and the rest of our enemies one way or another and Biden and Obama.
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December 27, 2023, 12:25 PM
ridewvI imagine teams of lawyers will take a lot of the money and the EPA will absorb the rest of the "fine".
Reminds me of the racket back in the 1960's the constable in a neighboring small town routinely issued 100 or more speeding fines per month for going 25-28mph on the main road which was posted 25mph. His salary was 50% of every fine, the rest went to "city hall" including the judge.
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December 27, 2023, 12:50 PM
Lefty SigBefore passing judgement on Cummins we need to get more info about what really happened. Despite the EPA and DOJ talking about "defeat devices" and implying some kind of emissions test "trick" was employed, like VW did, that is probably far from the truth.
The only engines affected are the Ram pickup B6.7 for the years mentioned, and nothing else. So the commercial truck, off-highway, rail, and powergen engines are seemingly OK.
It could be that the relative ease of 3rd party reprogramming of the ECM to delete the emissions controls was deemed negligent, and that the ECM should have a secured program that either prevents 3rd party modifications, or detects mods and and shuts the engine down.
Or it could be that the engines were non-compliant during de-rate conditions when the engine lowers power to avoid damage that could occur when certain faults are detected. Let's say you have an emissions critical sensor go bad - if the ECM throws a Check Engine Light and derates while ignoring the errant sensor to keep the engine running until it can be taken in for service, that could lead to non-compliance.
Or it could be that the mapping of altitude and temperature were insufficient for some extreme conditions (or combination thereof) leading to non-compliance in some environmental conditions however unlikely.
But the EPA and CARB certainly ARE out to destroy ICE engines, since CARB is making certain classes of diesels essentially illegal due to ridiculously low NOx limits for 2025.
December 30, 2023, 08:01 PM
RightwireEvery $100,000.00 offsets 10 carbon points for Cummins due to their non-compliance.
Amazing how money makes things better.
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There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. December 30, 2023, 08:12 PM
stickman428Imagine if the elites who live like kings had to face repercussions for their extravagance and pollution. That would be a brave new world.
The people claiming to save the planet are the worst offenders and occasionally they get a scalp to get funds for their gang and to help with appearances.
They don’t actually give a flying fuck about this planet or how they pollute it.
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December 30, 2023, 08:30 PM
vthokyquote:
Originally posted by Rightwire:
Amazing how money makes things better.
Indeed. These jokers are quick to demand x-bazillion dollars, but can never offer their plan for how to use the dollars to actually
solve the [perceived] problem.
God bless America. December 30, 2023, 09:20 PM
MikeNHIf you have one of these trucks don't let the dealer do the recall work. They ruined the 3.0 diesel in Ram 1500s with a recall reprogram.
December 31, 2023, 05:50 AM
muzzleloaderGovernment, the master extortionist.
Pick and choose the successful, assign penalty for level of success, pay up or get dragged into court for the jackpot behind door number two. Money goes to tin pot dictator’s favorite cause ( green energy Obama). Rinse and repeat
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