No rush, but thanks!

Anyone have experience with electrical heaters, NOT portable units?

The only suggestion I will make since you’re putting in a lift is make sure 14’ is tall enough so you can stand up fully under your vehicle when on the lift. 14’ seems like it would be fine but I’m not sure if that 14’ is at the peak or the wall height or what type of vehicles you’ll be working on.

I put a vaulted ceiling in my garage after my brother in law put a lift in his where he couldn’t fully stand up. It puts you at a very awkward working height.

Congratulations you’re going to love it.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
The only suggestion I will make since you’re putting in a lift is make sure 14’ is tall enough so you can stand up fully under your vehicle when on the lift. 14’ seems like it would be fine but I’m not sure if that 14’ is at the peak or the wall height. I put a vaulted ceiling in mine after my brother in law put a lift in his garage where he couldn’t fully stand up. It puts you at a very awkward working heigh.

Excellent point to...raise. Height of the Bendpak 10APX stop bar is 157" (14' is 168", the wall height, NOT peak); it has a rise of 75", so it should fit just fine and allow me to walk under a vehicle. I'm not 100% on this model, but am leaning towards it.

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
The only suggestion I will make since you’re putting in a lift is make sure 14’ is tall enough so you can stand up fully under your vehicle when on the lift. 14’ seems like it would be fine but I’m not sure if that 14’ is at the peak or the wall height. I put a vaulted ceiling in mine after my brother in law put a lift in his garage where he couldn’t fully stand up. It puts you at a very awkward working heigh.

Excellent point to...raise. Height of the Bendpak 10APX stop bar is 157" (14' is 168", the wall height, NOT peak); it has a rise of 75", so it should fit just fine and allow me to walk under a vehicle. I'm not 100% on this model, but am leaning towards it.

That should be enough unless you have a very tall truck. Going to be awesome.

No redneck truck here; just me and my Taco.

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
No rush, but thanks!

Anyone have experience with electrical heaters, NOT portable units?

Grainger is a good place to look around. Ive used their smaller units before, no complaints. Might help you get an idea on pricing too.

https://www.grainger.com/categ...ters?categoryIndex=6

Here is a proposed layout. I'm really unsure of the placement of all the gray boxes still. It is all to scale and only includes the items I already have. A large welding table/bench may be added later. I was thinking of keeping the middle clear so I could drive through, from one roll up to the other, but that may not be that useful.

I still have to decide where I want all of the 110V quadplex and 220V 6-50Rs. Ignore the symbols for these on the floor; I'm going to copy/paste them where I want them. The panel will either go where it is noted or just to the left of the personal door as you walk in.

A possible electrical layout. I'll need to add dedicated circuits for heaters, LED lights/fan, and the lift.

I do NOT want to be short on outlets.

I'll be piping air around the walls.

I installed a 24k BTU Minisplit for a little less than $1100.

My shop is 30x40x9 metal, insulated and OSB interior walls and ceiling.

I have been running the mini-split since I installed it in October.

My electric is not shown much increase for adding it, and now it has steady temps and humidity.

62F in winter and 82 summer (with average mid 30 degrees during the past 2 months, and average upper 90s and 90% humidity).

I was worried that the electrical would be near $100 a month, but is is only about $30.

And for the comfort and climate control for my classics, as well as just a t-shirt any time I am in there. I am very happy.

And it is whisper quiet. Not even as loud as bathroom or range hood fan on low.


I had LP heater, and between it and no other climate control I ended up with mold issues and that is why I decided for year round climate control.

Good to know. I'm starting to think that it won't be as difficult as I thought to heat this place.

If you can locate the air compressor outside of the building or put it into some type of insulated box you will use it a lot more. Those shops are all hard surfaces and the sound of the compressor will crush your eardrums. It’s also why most people use electric power now.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
If you can locate the air compressor outside of the building or put it into some type of insulated box you will use it a lot more. Those shops are all hard surfaces and the sound of the compressor will crush your eardrums. It’s also why most people use electric power now.

I just acquired a Solberg filter/silencer for it. Much of the noise comes from the intake, so I'm curious how much of a difference it will make. Most feedback I've seen is pretty positive. The inside walls will be insulated, so that should help some, too. Last resort I'll build an enclosure for it with some sound reducing materials lining it. I'd rather minimize penetrations from the outside.

Might not be a bad idea to add a sink, and possibly a toilet and urinal.

I’m thinking a utility sink. I can piss outside and the house is 50ft away. I wish the septic tank was closer, but it’s on the opposite side of the house.

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
Here is a proposed layout. I'm really unsure of the placement of all the gray boxes still. It is all to scale and only includes the items I already have. A large welding table/bench may be added later. I was thinking of keeping the middle clear so I could drive through, from one roll up to the other, but that may not be that useful.

I still have to decide where I want all of the 110V quadplex and 220V 6-50Rs. Ignore the symbols for these on the floor; I'm going to copy/paste them where I want them. The panel will either go where it is noted or just to the left of the personal door as you walk in.

I built a 6000SF building for my construction company many years ago. It is “L” shaped with one side for my personal stuff including a lift so that side is somewhat similar to what you’ve laid out.

What I ended up doing is to put my tool chest basically perpendicular to where my lift is and then have a 6 foot work bench on either side of that. I have found it very convenient when I’m working on a car etc.

As far as electrical let me say that you should have more than what you’ve shown here. All 110 outlets should be on 20 amp circuits and in the bench areas those outlets should be quads. I have 2 quads at each bench with them being on different circuits.

Are you planning on having any outlets outside of the building?
Also, will you be installing a ceiling fan? I absolutely love mine. A company called “Big Ass Fans” make some nice ones although they are a little pricey.

One consideration for the lathe is to ask yourself if you'll ever run a long bar out the back (left) of the headstock. If so, you may want to check the distance between lathe and mill.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
I installed a 24k BTU Minisplit for a little less than $1100.

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
Good to know. I'm starting to think that it won't be as difficult as I thought to heat this place.

Maybe something to keep in mind when looking at mini splits is access to the fan for cleaning. Talking with a Carrier tech who was working on mine, he said some of the newer ones are much easier to access the fans to clean. He said the two most common placements where they need more frequent cleaning are wood shops and kitchens.

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Originally posted by smlsig:

As far as electrical let me say that you should have more than what you’ve shown here. All 110 outlets should be on 20 amp circuits and in the bench areas those outlets should be quads. I have 2 quads at each bench with them being on different circuits.

Are you planning on having any outlets outside of the building?
Also, will you be installing a ceiling fan? I absolutely love mine. A company called “Big Ass Fans” make some nice ones although they are a little pricey.

Look at the 2nd drawing. I have NINE quad outlets for a total of 36 110V outlets. No outlets outside, I just don't see a need. If I need something outside, I have plenty of extension cords. I'm thinking of a fan, maybe a BAF. You are right, they are pricey. I'll likely also put a couple of duplex 110V outlets closer to the ceiling for some cord reels and kickass neon signs. I'm thinking top and right wall outlets on one 20Amp circuit, bottom and left wall on another.

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Originally posted by smlsig:
What I ended up doing is to put my tool chest basically perpendicular to where my lift is and then have a 6 foot work bench on either side of that. I have found it very convenient when I’m working on a car etc.

I like that idea, but don't necessarily want to block my drive-thru open space floor. The tool chest is on casters and I may add them to a bench/table to use a similar setup while working on a vehicle. It does sound handy.

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Originally posted by vinnybass:
One consideration for the lathe is to ask yourself if you'll ever run a long bar out the back (left) of the headstock. If so, you may want to check the distance between lathe and mill.

I thought about that. There is several feet; I wouldn't want to spin up any stock hanging out anywhere near that long, so I should be good.

For heating, I'm thinking maybe 2 units similar to these in opposite corners towards the ceiling.

https://www.amazon.com/Comfort...Y2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1

That is frickin' awesome.

Sorry, I have no recommendations, but anxiously await the pics.

Great thread. You guys have some damn nice shops!