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| The Unknown Stuntman  |
One of the most shocking things to me - in a life long ago - was the realization that if somebody was willing to trade a life for a life, there is precious little one can do to prevent it. What keeps the world slightly normal is the willingness to go that far is - or used to be - quite rare. The balance is in the willingness of the civil man to engage. The ability to put aside the normal well-intentioned persona we wear and become the very thing we fear. One day a BG may get me. He might be faster than me or get the drop. He may have practiced more than me, or maybe better trained, or maybe just lucky. The reality we have to face is this - the other guy might be better. But there is another reality - and it's not one he's not counting on - it is this: I'm going to force him to prove it. | |||
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Its not just that people have no experience with violence, they also have no concept of how rapidly it can occur. For those you who are carrying and can make it happen, take a FATS course or other type of reaction training. You wont regret it. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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| 10mm is The Boom of Doom  |
I always carry at home and away, where legal. And I try to avoid places where it is not legal. A gun is not a magic talisman protecting me from all evil. But if I end up dying at the hands of some bastard, it won't be because I was unarmed. God Bless and Protect the Once and Future President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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Wait, what? |
I know the concept of sheep and sheepdogs is are tired one, but the concept is still relevant today. Those that rely on the police to provide them with protection are fools. But as we’ve all seen in innumerable cases of mass violence in the last few years, there is a huge segment of society that still choose to be in the herd, rather than even so much as having a plan, let alone taking steps to adequately defending themselves or their family members. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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I agree that most people do not understand the potential for violence in their daily lives. I can't count the number of times over the years that victims or witnesses told me words to the effect, "I didn't think it would happen to me" or "Not in my neighborhood". I think some more folks are coming to grips with the reality of violence around them in recent years. I have been doing seminars on workplace violence/active shooters and there is a lot of demand. I am also doing firearms training for church groups that are forming armed security teams. 20 years ago that would have been unthinkable. To quote Jeff Cooper: "If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." Jeff Cooper CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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I have recounted this experience in other threads but it is applicable here, too. I was sitting in my cruiser writing a report for several minutes, in a school parking lot. I received a call for a burglary in progress at the apartment complex which I was sitting behind. The victim was being assaulted and I was about 100 yards away from the address. By the time I drove to the entrance to the apartment complex, no more than 30 seconds from receiving the call, the suspect passed me leaving the complex. The moral is: The situation, in the overwhelming majority of cases, will be over with before the police can get to you. The target, of a crime in progress, IS the first responder. Be aware, be prepared. Sic Semper Tyrannis If you beat your swords into plowshares, you will become farmers for those who didn't! Political Correctness is fascism pretending to be Manners-George Carlin | |||
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I've had the "pleasure" of staring down a gun barrel twice in my life and facing down a sword cane once. Two out of 3 of these incidents were in locations one would perceive as safe. First time with a gun was at the Boston Heights Sohio at about 11:10 PM. The sword cane was in an elevator at Morril Tower on the Ohio State Campus in 1974. Second time with the gun was when I was driving a Yellow Cab in 1975 to pay for tuition at Ohio State. Granted the Taxi robbery was on the near east side of Columbus which wasn't the nicest part of town but in general I got along quite well with the folks in that area because I actually enjoyed Grocery Hauls, something most drivers loathed because you do have to work. Needless to say I am ALWAYS armed where it is legally permitted. I've stopped counting. | |||
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| Not your average kind of girl  |
Truer words... Even more so than being armed being aware is vital. Violence can happen anywhere at anytime. Keeping your head on a swivel instead of buried in your phone, etc is one way to help prevent a situation. You are right Arc most people have no concept of violence. Most people here do but we are the minority. I don't know if it's a false sense of security an utter disregard for their own lives or some combination thereof. I think it's getting worse thanks to the generation of "someone will do it for me" and addiction to the tech gadgets. I will say that if you do have a chance to take a class on some version of self defense you should. A firearm is a great tool if you have the time to get to it. The scariest thing I have learned in my classes is how fast a knife attack can occur. Practicing over and over again with full adrenaline pumping is one way to simulate an attack and it's defense. You may get stabbed multiple times before your brain even recognizes what is happening and you turn on defense mode. Stay Frosty Friends If it won't matter in 5 years don't give it more than 5 minutes. | |||
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Now and Zen |
Myself. If at all possible I’m going to demonstrate that I am a reluctant victim. ___________________________________________________________________________ "....imitate the action of the Tiger." | |||
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My BIL is alive today because he was aware of his surroundings and had a gun. I was a few seconds from pulling mine a few years ago in a freakin GameStop in about as good an area as you could find. It literally takes a couple seconds for shit to go sideways. When I was 14 I took judo with several friends. I was very small growing up so it helped me control bigger and stronger people. One night I was partnered with a friend who was bull strong. I was getting the best of him every time and it set him off. I had my back turned during a rest period and in a blink I’d been hit by a truck. That guy came at a full sprint and flattened me. I didn’t know what happened but I was terrified. The entire ordeal lasted about 30 seconds and somehow I got him in a nasty choke before the adults separated us. The aftermath was the worst. He was crying, I was shaking from the fear and adrenaline. It sucked! And this was a friend of mine! | |||
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semi-reformed sailor |
The Coast Guard's Motto is "Semper Paratus", Always Ready. I was a cop, I KNOW that the police are not there to protect people. In fact, when i used to hear "I feel so safe with you around" I used to counter with, "How do you feel when I'm not?" (I got to talk to the captain a lot) I also have had a few guns pointed at me and I know how quickly shit can hit the fan. My nana was beaten to death with a 5oz tack hammer...she had a gun; but it was ten feet away inside her home. She did fight back but was over powered by a crackhead. If I'm outside of my house I have a gun on me, you should too. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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The guy behind the guy |
I used to be a criminal defense attorney. Go sit in your county court house for a day and listen to all of the felony cases brought before the judge and listen to the horrible acts these people did to innocent folks who were just going about their day. Listen as they read the defendants priors...then listen to the BS sentence these people get and realize that they are going right back out onto the streets where you will be. Criminals are everywhere and they have absolutely no care for you or your family. They don't have a conscious or care for life. Carry a gun...all the damn time. | |||
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I'm retired from a state dept of corrections. I still vividly recall the very first words out of the training sgt's mouth on the very first day of training: "There are two kinds of people here. Predators & prey. Decide right now which one you are going to be." I don't leave the house without being armed, because after working around convicted felons all those years, I know what they are capable of. ------------------------------------------------ "It's hard to imagine a more stupid or dangerous way of making decisions, than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell | |||
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quarter MOA visionary |
This title is inaccurate but the concept of the first post is correct. Summary: there is a massive deficiency in the lack of awareness (situational primarily) required for self preservation. | |||
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I was in a couple of those (minor) in grade school. I'm not sure much transfers from schoolyard fights to criminal attacks. Even while fighting on the playground, there were "rules" that were unconsciously observed. The perception that one fought dirty tainted the "win" and reduced one's standing. I suspect in the criminal world, no such courtesies will be afforded. You are likely to be hit, stabbed or shot before you even realize the attack is underway or within a second or two of going on alert. Unless you have your hand on the pistol anytime someone is within 20 feet, chances are you'll take the first wound. | |||
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I would agree with you, and I would also say that the vast majority of citizen's would be surprised the find out that 'the police do not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm'. One such case / ruling, as reported by the NYT's in 2005. __________ __________ "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy." | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
If I have a son, I plan on just naming him Sue. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Smarter than the average bear |
I hear many people say “I don’t leave the house without a gun”. What if you’re sitting on the couch watching TV and someone kicks in a door? | |||
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Could happen, but odds are crazy low unless you are a drug dealer or gang member. | |||
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