Saw it this morning. Good looking truck by golly. It's 440 mile range is a GM estimate but man, horse power and torque monster. 5 Ton tow capacity. It's bed goes to 10 feet. 24 inch wheels and 35 inch tires. Man alive, if they can get that battery to last 600 miles, it's a hot cake. I know the EVs aren't popular with most of us but this truck is a better offering. It should sell well.

$90K? No, thanks.

Estimated 440 mile range? Divide by 2 to get actual range. Divide by 4 to actual range pulling 10,000 lbs.

(Picture of PR64 Mach-E in 3...2...1...)

I wondered about that range towing or hauling. Didn't know it was 90 grand. Not in my future.

Well, a standard Yukon Denali starts at $80K before options, and the Ultimate $100K, so that's just the price of general entry now.
Eyewatering, yes.

I think I still have a copy of my loaded Suburban window sticker for $27k.......

.....in 1993!

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Originally posted by bcereuss:
$90K? No, thanks.

Estimated 440 mile range? Divide by 2 to get actual range. Divide by 4 to actual range pulling 10,000 lbs.

(Picture of PR64 Mach-E in 3...2...1...)

Yep. I’m almost at 11 years dailying an EV. I make my own power at home so for me it makes financial sense. But my EV was $20k all in. Ninety grand, GTFO. And you are dead on about the range. 440 mile range, hypermiling type driving, like some Prius driver slotting in behind an 18 wheeler to get a draft. Start using the throttle in this thing, and you ain’t getting 440. Regular use of the fun pedal, will drop the range in 1/2 like you said. Then towing, again exactly as you said, you’ll get just over 100 mile range unless it’s a very light load.

EV’s suck for towing, suck for performance applications. EV’s that are a compact car, hatchback, sedan, coupe, are perfect for commuting, running errands, daily driver type driving. Perfect for that. Suck for everything else. And to me a daily driver, new, should be $30k or less. Once you’re in the $40k+ turf, they make zero financial sense in my opinion. You can get a Corolla hatchback, new, for $25k. Valued against a $40k or 50k EV, well you either got $15k or 25k for gas, oil changes, maintenance in general. Cheap EV’s make sense, expensive EV’s are just completely stupid financially.

I don't trust that range figure one bit. I make a 680 mile drive in one day 6+ times a year, and 275 mile drives 2x a month. I'm not sitting at a charging station for several hours in the middle of a trip. I'll look at electric pickups again in 10 years and see if they are ready.

Yeah, the only electric vehicle I would consider at this point is maybe a hybrid. The Camry looks pretty good, my daughter is 3 years into one and gets about 60mpg. I usually keep my vehicles 10 years plus, and I'm only 2 years in on this one.

There's something quite ironic about taking one of the biggest, heaviest and most ostentatious vehicles on the market and making it electric to help "save the planet." lol

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Originally posted by David Lee:
I wondered about that range towing or hauling. Didn't know it was 90 grand. Not in my future.

Just like ICE the range goes down dramatically.

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
Once you’re in the $40k+ turf, they make zero financial sense in my opinion. You can get a Corolla hatchback, new, for $25k. Valued against a $40k or 50k EV, well you either got $15k or 25k for gas, oil changes, maintenance in general. Cheap EV’s make sense, expensive EV’s are just completely stupid financially.

The math is actually worse than that from the user side for what you actually 'get' when you buy an EV.
If you turn a gas-guzzler into an EV, you've removed the 2 most expensive, labor intensive components - the engine & transmission. You're probably cutting the labor cost by ~30% to assemble a vehicle PLUS the expensive, space-consuming, specialized equipment to produce the parts.
There's precisely 1 reason EVs are popular* - Profit. Actually, there's 2 - CAFE tax reductions, but you could lump that into profit.
Yes, the electric motor, electronics & battery are complex & expensive, but they do not hold a candle to the development, component, logistics & assembly costs of a modern engine & transmission.

*by popular, I mean advertised to death so all the cool kids want one. Your ad budget grows quite a bit when you increase margin by 10%+

The cynic in me likes EVs for one reason - the UAW is chopping it's own dick off by supporting them. The reduction in labor required will reduce their power.

No picture of my Mach E, but thanks for the shout out

I didn't even know it was an EV until I opened the thread earlier today...

How about a picture of the newest EV in the garage.

My cousin bought a Mercedes EQS 450 sedan with a range of 478 miles and massaging seats...

When you hate hanging onto your money. Mercedes has terrible resale combined with EV’s having terrible resale and you might as well light $50k on fire after 2 years.

Well he drove a Volt for 14 years and wanted a luxury car. He's never had one.

When you hang on to your cars, the depreciation becomes less relevant each year you own it.

Most cars are poor investments once you drive it off the lot regardless if it's ICE or EV.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
Well, a standard Yukon Denali starts at $80K before options,
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A standard Sierra Denali (pickup, like the OP) is $65,000. And tows more. And weighs 3,000 pounds less (less wear on the roads is green, so…).

The only thing the EV does better is accelerate faster (a few times at least), and let buyers pose like they care about the environment.

At least the owners get something new.

I think this truck is similar to the Chevy Silverado EV. I got in a conversation with an owner and he loved it. He regularly drives 300+ miles on I-15 in Utah, he sets cruise at 82 mph and that's it, no charging stops. The truck is large, looked very comfortable. He can get from the SLC area to Las Vegas non-stop, impressive. I have a friend with some Tesla model and it requires 3 stops from SLC to LV.