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Trump's Bluff: Perfectly Legal

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June 23, 2017, 10:26 AM
JALLEN
Trump's Bluff: Perfectly Legal
The Hill
Alan Dershowitz

Now that President Trump has tweeted that he didn’t tape James Comey, the anti-Trump zealots are accusing him of witness intimidation.

This is most the absurd of the many absurd charges leveled against Trump by those out to get him without regard to the law.


Trump’s bluff was calculated to get Comey to tell the truth. How can that be witness intimidation? If it were, Abraham Lincoln would have gone to prison rather than the White House. As a young lawyer, he, too, bluffed a witness into telling the truth. In one of his most famous murder cases, a witness testified that he saw Lincoln’s client kill the victim. The time it occurred was at night, so the witness testified that he was able to see the crime because there was a full moon. Lincoln then handed the witness an almanac and asked him to turn to the date in question. The almanac showed that there was no moon on that night, and the witness broke down and admitted that he had not seen the crime. The defendant was acquitted. Lincoln later acknowledged that he had deliberately fooled the witness into telling the truth by handing him an almanac for the wrong year. The correct year’s almanac indeed showed a full moon.

I don’t want to compare myself to Lincoln, but I, too, used a similar bluff involving tapes when I was a young lawyer back in the 1970s. I was cross-examining a police officer who was lying through his teeth about what he had said to my client. Pretending that my client had recorded the crucial conversation, I read him what appeared to him to be a transcript of the tape. In fact it was only a transcript of my client’s best recollection about what he had been told. Believing there was a tape the witness changed his testimony and admitted making the crucial statement to my client. As a result we won the case.

Prosecutors frequently bluff about the quality and quantity of the evidence they have against a defendant in order to get him to plead guilty or to become a cooperating witness.

What President Trump did was no different from what prosecutors, defense attorneys, policemen, FBI agents and others do every day in an effort to elicit truthful testimony from mendacious witnesses. But in today’s hyper-partisan climate, those out to get President Trump will concoct “crimes” out of the most innocent behavior. This really illustrates how far things have gone in partisan efforts to criminalize political differences.

This must stop, because it is endangering democracy. The idea of turning every controversial action into a crime is more typical of tyrannies than countries committed to the rule of law. The exploitation of open-ended statutes invites tyrants to selectively prosecute their political enemies. What partisan zealots are trying to do to Donald Trump is more reminiscent of Putin, Erdogan, Castro and Chavez, than it is of our legal system.

I understand how strongly some people feel about Donald Trump being president. Many Republicans felt the same way about Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, and they would have felt even more strongly against Hillary Clinton had she been elected president. But zealotry on one side does not justify zealotry on the other. We must declare an armistice against using our criminal justice system as a political weapon in what has become a zero-sum bloodsport. Criticize President Trump for bluffing, if you wish though I find absolutely nothing wrong with it, but don’t try to turn what you don’t like into a crime unless you can find a clear and specific statute and precedent in support of your position.

Remember that today’s use of the criminal law against a president you don’t like may become a precedent to using a criminal law against a president you do like. Even worse it may become a precedent against you. So be careful what you wish for.

Alan M. Dershowitz, Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law, Emeritus, at Harvard Law School and author of Taking the Stand: My Life in the Law and Electile Dysfunction: A Guide for the Unaroused Voter. @AlanDersh @AlanMDershowitz

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Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
June 23, 2017, 10:30 AM
Bigboreshooter
He's been 2 steps ahead of them since the beginning. Cool



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June 23, 2017, 10:33 AM
tatortodd
quote:
Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:
He's been 2 steps ahead of them since the beginning. Cool
Trump is playing chess whenthe left is playing checkers



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June 23, 2017, 11:06 AM
TSE
quote:
Originally posted by tatortodd:
quote:
Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:
He's been 2 steps ahead of them since the beginning. Cool
Trump is playing chess whenthe left is playing checkers


No, Trump is playing chess while the left are licking their crayons.


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June 23, 2017, 11:16 AM
PASig
Jesus, I've never seen this level of derangement before! It's absolutely out of hand how they will take literally EVERYTHING the guy says and somehow it's illegal or immoral or somehow grounds for him to lose his job. Confused

Are people THAT panicked over him? I don't get it.


June 23, 2017, 11:19 AM
nhtagmember
his approval numbers are going up - poll on Drudge this morning had Trump at 60% doing a great job

only 3% saying bad job



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June 23, 2017, 11:28 AM
jehzsa
quote:
I don't get it.

Me neither. But if they believe it's a winning combination I will encourage it.

Holder/Pelosi 2020!


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June 23, 2017, 11:58 AM
Fredward
I do. It's raw, unbridled hatred. This is the left in full blossom.
June 23, 2017, 12:15 PM
a1abdj
quote:
Jesus, I've never seen this level of derangement before! It's absolutely out of hand how they will take literally EVERYTHING the guy says and somehow it's illegal or immoral or somehow grounds for him to lose his job.



Haven't you heard?!? Trump needs to be impeached for driving a golf cart on the putting green (of a course he owns)!


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June 23, 2017, 12:25 PM
HRK
We know who the better card player is in this game, he even mentioned in his Iowa speech that he has them running in circles.

The left and press are so hot to catch him on something they will take the bait on anything, and the more he puts out that they print which is false the worse they look.

A puppet master....
June 23, 2017, 12:56 PM
TigerDore
quote:
Originally posted by TSE:
No, Trump is playing chess while the left are licking their crayons.



June 23, 2017, 04:15 PM
Rey HRH
quote:
Originally posted by PASig:
Jesus, I've never seen this level of derangement before! It's absolutely out of hand how they will take literally EVERYTHING the guy says and somehow it's illegal or immoral or somehow grounds for him to lose his job. Confused

Are people THAT panicked over him? I don't get it.


They're calling plays from their book that used to work on Republicans before. Continue protesting loud and often at everything, then the Republican will cow down, make concessions, etc.

Trump just don't give a shit. he's the honeybadger president.



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June 23, 2017, 04:32 PM
parabellum
President Trump is running rings around these tantrum-throwing douchebags. They're never gonna learn.
June 23, 2017, 05:19 PM
wishfull thinker
So Mr. Dershowitz makes his carefully reasoned points and then drops this little nugget:

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Many Republicans felt the same way about Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, and they would have felt even more strongly against Hillary Clinton had she been elected president.


I presume he says that because of the cities they burned, the riots they started, the destruction they caused, the injuries they delivered, the freeways they obstructed. But nice oija-boarding on the reaction to The Beast, Al. you oughta take up forecasting elections, you've got the knack for the deep research.


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June 23, 2017, 06:30 PM
flashguy
quote:
Originally posted by PASig:
Jesus, I've never seen this level of derangement before! It's absolutely out of hand how they will take literally EVERYTHING the guy says and somehow it's illegal or immoral or somehow grounds for him to lose his job. Confused

Are people THAT panicked over him? I don't get it.
Yes! Democrats/Progressives/Socialists/Communists ARE that panicked over a Trump Presidency! And the reason for it is that they have so much to lose.

flashguy




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June 23, 2017, 08:31 PM
JALLEN
quote:
Originally posted by flashguy:
Yes! Democrats/Progressives/Socialists/Communists ARE that panicked over a Trump Presidency! And the reason for it is that they have so much to lose.

flashguy


Not only that but there are almost certainly some trash cans that would be very embarrassing if they were to be kicked over, and Trump can't be counted on to not kick them over.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
June 24, 2017, 01:00 AM
Gustofer
quote:
Originally posted by nhtagmember:
his approval numbers are going up - poll on Drudge this morning had Trump at 60% doing a great job

only 3% saying bad job

Given how exceedingly pro-Trump every Drudge poll has been since the get-go, I would have expected that approval number to be much higher.


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June 24, 2017, 10:11 AM
Keystoner
One of my favorite scenes in 'Quiz Show' was the poker scene. The lawyer, Goodwin, was on to VanDoren but they were playing cards and VanDoren was trying to buy the pot. It's was Goodwin's turn to bet and he said, "I know you're lying." Was he talking about the game or the quiz show scandal? I think the latter but VanDoren responded, "Bluffing. I believe the term is bluffing." Yeah, in poker it's called bluffing.



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