I’ve noticed this over and over, the classic “counter commando” who spouts fictitious gun knowledge that is useless at best, and harmful if taken seriously.

Just had an interaction, in the little town in Florida where I live. For reference, open carry is not allowed in Florida, although there have been a couple bills presented to change that.

I see a retirement aged gentleman with his wife, and a belt holstered small pistol outside his shirt at the supermarket. I’m with my daughter, and walk back home. At the stoplight, he is besides me, and tucks his shirt back over his gun. I smile at him and say “I was going to mention that your shirt wasn’t covering it, but didn’t know if you were LEO”.

The guy says the following things in response:

1. Open carry is legal in Florida (it’s not)

2. It’s been legal since “stand your ground” was expanded three years ago (that legislation has nothing to do with open carry)

3. I don’t know if he has a “Class III” license (as an owner of multiple NFA items, the only ones who have a “Class III” license are FFL/SOTs. Also, still doesn’t allow one to carry openly)

4. The only reason open carry isn’t “allowed” in Miami-Dade is because it’s a “blue county” and majority Latino (WTF? Laws aren’t based on who lives in the county… also I’m a white Hispanic. Thx bud)

I’ve seen this over and over again, it’s great to have people who support the 2nd Amendment but dammit, educate yourself a bit.

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I just had some idiot in a gun group on Facebook say this after I made reference to "mil spec":

"Also, using the pretend phrase “mil spec” really only lessens your credibility. There is literally no such thing.
Parts for military rifles are subject to a technical data package- not a “mil spec.”
“Mil spec” is a marketing term used by consumer grade gun makers to make their customers feel better about their purchase."

So I posted links to these MILITARY SPECIFICATIONS:

http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar...HQRzxqO4VCc2_Fmf07-c

http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar...JSxPlqPrq9QSNOIH3FEg''

A little bit of info from AR-15.com intended to denigrate "consumers" convinced some idiot of his knowledge superiority, except he was completely wrong.

^^^^ ask him to measure a 'mil-spec' and commercial buffer tube and report back.

I’ve reached the point that unless another’s actions with a firearm are a direct threat to my safety or my loved ones, I say absolutely nothing to them. Let them open carry, print on their clothes, show the butt of the gun whatever. Why? I have no time to debate with people the laws on carrying, when they’re obviously so well informed as to me. It’s like Hooper in Jaws, “I’m arguing with somebody whoose lining up to be a hot lunch.”

You must have overlooked his fishing rod.

(For those not familiar with FL laws, open carry is legal while fishing and people have tried to use this excuse to claim their open carry was legal even though they were not fishing. Or had fishing gear with them. Or were even near a body of water.

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Originally posted by spunk639:
I’ve reached the point that unless another’s actions with a firearm are a direct threat to my safety or my loved ones, I say absolutely nothing to them. Let them open carry, print on their clothes, show the butt of the gun whatever. Why? I have no time to debate with people the laws on carrying, when they’re obviously so well informed as to me. It’s like Hooper in Jaws, “I’m arguing with somebody whoose lining up to be a hot lunch.”

This. Most people already 'know better', so offering advice or help about things is generally a waste of time. It doesn't matter if it's about carrying, driving on a flat tire, etc.

I am a gun person, and I am also a mechanical engineer, a corporate subject matter expert for manufacturing, and oversee many standards and specifications. So in general I know more about how things are made, and how they are specified than most people. And if needed I can access just about any international, national, or military standard through accounts I have at work.

I also like to read actual firearms law and legal decisions.

This stuff isn't that hard if you just read the actual laws. They are in the public domain and can be found in seconds by internet search. Yet humans by virtue of history rely on the oral tradition (this guy said...) rather than simply referencing the source.

Wait until you have a debate about the legality of carrying a firearm concealed in a bank or hospital in Florida. The responses you'll get back on that should keep you laughing and/or scratching your head for hours.

That's why I seldom post in the rifle or pistol section.
I'm not an expert at anything firearms related,but I enjoy
reading just about every post.
There are many Informed people on Sigforum.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

Wait until you have a debate about the legality of carrying a firearm concealed in a bank

I have seen many signs on bank and credit union doors that are anti-hat and anti-sunglasses, but I have never seen an anti-gun sign at a bank or credit union. I find that kind of amusing.

FL Possession Restrictions

The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06(12), Florida Statutes (F.S.), for a complete listing.

Any place of nuisance as defined in Section 823.05, F.S.

Any police, sheriff or highway patrol station

Any detention facility, prison or jail

Any courthouse

Any courtroom*

Any polling place

Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality or special district

Any meeting of the Legislature or a legislative committee

Any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms

Any school administration building

Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*

Any elementary or secondary school facility

Any area technical center

Any college or university facility*

Inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*

Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law Link

Lawful Open Carry in Florida
Pursuant to Florida Statute § 790.25(3), there are several instances when the provisions of § 790.06 and § 790.053 do not apply.

For example, § 790.25(3)(h) and (j) allows one to openly carry a weapon to and from hunting, fishing, camping, and the gun range. This means that the travel must be continuous, and no stops can occur on your way to the destination for one of the activities above.

In addition, § 790.25(3)(n) states that one can openly carry a weapon in his/her home or place of business. However, a guest in your home may not lawfully open carry on your property, even with your permission. Any employee can open carry at their place of business, but of course, the business owner may prohibit this and further may prohibit the possession of firearms on their property.

Further, Florida Statute § 790.053(2) allows one to openly carry, for a lawful self-defense purpose, any self-defense chemical spray and any non-lethal stun gun or other on a lethal electric weapon, including a taser. However, you still cannot have most of these weapons at schools.

Open transport of Rifles and Shotguns
Florida Statute § 790.25(5), allows for the open carry of a rifle or shotgun inside a private vehicle, by a person who is at least 18 years of age. Although legal, this is not necessarily a good idea and could cause unwanted attention from law enforcement of from those wanting to steal a firearm.

Slightly different topic than the open carry issue but still pertaining to the thread title…

I was in a sporting goods store sometime in 2020 when .22 rimfire was hard to find and any stock was kept behind the counter. Fellow next to me was looking for .22 LR. Guy behind the counter hands him a box of .22 Long. The purchaser wasn’t a ‘gun guy’ but observant enough to to ask what the difference was between long and LR. Guy behind the counter told him they were the same thing. I generally keep to myself but couldn’t let that one go.

Meh.

I was in my LGS today and a 50ish gentlemen came in and inquired about purchasing a suppressor for his .22 rifle “on the cheap”. The store owner showed him two or three inexpensive suppressors and the guy says “I’ll take this one”.

The store owner began explaining the process of the paperwork and the dude says-

“I have a concealed license, I don’t have to do any of that”.

The store owner politely corrected him and began again to explain the process of purchasing a suppressor, and the guy stops him and begins to LECTURE him about how he’d sell more things if he actually knew the law. That he was no fool and not going to let the gun shop fleece him out of $200 that he didn’t have to spend.

Frustrated, the store owner calmly put the suppressors back in the counter as the guy continued to loudly chastise the store owner for being a “commie dumbass”.

And that he would go to another shop today and bring one back to rub in the store owners face.

Asshole.

The “non-gun” people like most journalists and politicians will tend to get the basic things wrong like having guns ordered via the Internet being delivered directly to one’s house or “the shoulder thing that goes up.” “Gun” people on the other hand are much more likely to provide wrong information or be misinformed about the details that they may know a little about. A gun store employee once sold a student of mine a box of 357 SIG ammunition when she asked for 357 Magnum ammo for her model 28 revolver.

As part of my training for agency new hires I have them complete a survey that includes things like, “True/False: A shot from a powerful handgun cartridge like the 45 ACP will knock a man off his feet.” They will usually correctly answer the question about not accepting other people’s assurances that a gun is unloaded, but most of them believe that bullets rise above the bore line of a gun when fired. I suspect that the average non-gun person wouldn’t even know what “open carry” refers to.

Like mdblanton post on 22 ammo.
I used to work at a small sporting goods store that sold hunting and fishing supplies. Across the street was a store that sold sports equipment and uniforms. He also sold hunting licenses and some ammo. A customer came in with a 7 mm magnum and three 7 mm Mauser cases with no necks. The guy across the street told him that they were the same and the magnums we're just loaded hotter. The rounds were held by the extractor and expanded the cases when fired.

Areas of recent note:

Braces, legality, shouldering, and Form 4999.
'Not' a shotgun shorties.
Loading a full mag against a closed slide - the makers are stupid!
Why are metal framed handguns so expensive?
Thumb safeties, yes or no? Either way, they get you killed.
I [describes action contrary to owners manual] and now it's broke!
How the M16 actually works - not like any manual action ever.
Tactical use of unloaded shotgun vs perps behind doors. Rack - if that doesn't work - pull trigger.
As noted, silencer laws.
The devastating effects of [cartridge smaller than .50 BMG] and why its not.
The devastating effects of [cartridge smaller than .25] and why its good.
Amount of ammo to carry for reloads.
Amount of ammo in carry gun and no reloads.
Why race gun parts are as valid as race car parts are on your station wagon.

20 years on the internet, over 50 around gun guys, it never changes.

Your hometown is named "Florida"? WOW... just wow

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Your hometown is named "Florida"?

Is that where Florida Man lives?

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Originally posted by jtedescucci:
Your hometown is named "Florida"? WOW... just wow

Yes, I made a grammatical error, my apologies.

There is, however, a town named Florida in Massachusetts. In order not to sully this thread, and confuse the grammatically inclined, I have edited my original post.