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Can't post a photo from my phone, but what business jets have a cruciform tail? Tail number on the photo I have isn't clear enough to get accurately & is returning a Piper or a Cessna 150M from my guesses. Particular aircraft has 5 windows on the port side with the door/stairs open, and what looks like a S-duct (if that's the proper aircraft term) at the base of the tail/top of the fuselage. The Enemy's gate is down. | ||
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Cessna Citation models, Gulfstream G100/200. _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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G200 looks closer to the image i have, than the Citation Latitude. 14 minutes, not bad The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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Coulda been faster but I stopped and read some stuff. _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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Dassault Falcon. | |||
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Falcon is a no go. Most appear to be Trijet & the Twinjet models don't line up. G200 the Latitude are the closest matches. Now for the pilots & airplane buffs, what's the benefit of a cruciform over a T-tail? The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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The location of the horizontal stabilizer is important for maintaining control. If airflow is disrupted, stability is affected. https://aerotoolbox.com/design-aircraft-tail/ The cruciform tail is described at the link above, along with the likely reason for its configuration. ------- Trying to simplify my life... | |||
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A little reading on Wikipedia says that the mid-mounted (on the vertical stabilizer/fin) location gets the horizontal out of jet blast, without the aerodynamic quirks of the T-tail, which is more prone to "stall" (sudden loss of lift) in a steep climb. The elevator mechanism of the T-tail is also more complex. Failure to keep a jack screw greased caused a T-tailed plane to crash in 2000. (Alaska Airlines 261) | |||
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Thanks that makes sense. The plane in question: The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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Learn something new every day. I was not aware that T-tailed aircraft were more prone to stall in a steep climb, only that they were susceptible to “deep stalls” where with the airplane in the stalled configuration the elevator (or stabilator for those so equipped) is “blanked out” in the turbulent air coming off the stalled wings. With the elevator blanked out and ineffective, it is problematic to reduce the angle of attack and get out of the stall. Stalls can actually be a lot of fun. Stalls that you can’t get out of, not so much. | |||
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The tail number is N632QS. It’s a Cessna Citation Latitude 680A. Not my image, found by googling after figuring out the tail number. | |||
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Wow, I was way off on the tail number. I was looking at it as N68205 or similar variations. With the glare, I'd not have guessed a 3 for the 3rd digit. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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Interesting flight pattern, it is a NetJets aircraft. Teterboro to Marthas Vinyard Teterboro to Bermuda Stop to pickup people at JFK Pickup at Boston Logan.... Link | |||
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Big gap from 9/29-10/12 Common for a business jet to sit idle for that long? Or do they not have to log all flights that would show up on that site? The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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Maintenance? הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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Thank you Very little |
Think it may be a sampling of past flights, they have the option to "purchase" all flight data, if someone wants to see each leg it's flown... | |||
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^ Both seem logical explanations. Wasn't sure if they only had to log revenue flights, or if every flight would be tracked. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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Pulled it back up and it's on the way to Cincinnati Muni from Rochester NY tomorrow, then back to NJ, and a couple of short flights that afternoon around NY... | |||
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If the operators could manage it, every flight would be a revenue flight. A lot of thinking / planning / somebody on the ground organizing goes into minimizing non-revenue flights. I believe that there is a way to (probably for a fee) keep your flight information non-public, where the FAA doesn’t make the information available to Flight Aware and others. I’ve never cared enough to figure out how to do it, though it bugs me a bit to have my whereabouts published. There is also probably filtering on the application level, ie “We’ll give you a sample of a few flights, but if you want everything we have on this aircraft, that’s an in-app purchase.” | |||
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Here are a couple of aircraft oddities with cruciform tails, in these cases having a full-length vertical stabilizer under the tail as well as above. Douglas XB-42 "Mixmaster" So named because it had twin engines driving a single "row" of contra-rotating propellers at the very rear of the fuselage, in "pusher" configuration. In late World War II, but too few and too late to do them any good, Nazi Germany produced this: Dornier Do335 This one had twin engines driving a tractor prop at the front, pusher at the rear. | |||
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