California will become 1st state to ban retail sale of dogs and cats
A Massachusetts-based organization influencing CA lawmakers...sounds like half the population living out here.
December 29, 2018, 06:24 PM
darthfuster
Gov't never learns.
You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
December 29, 2018, 07:04 PM
wishfull thinker
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Originally posted by newtoSig765:
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Originally posted by flashguy: California has the absolute best Climate in the country, beautiful coastlines and mountains. There must be something about all that perfection that deranges the minds of people who live there. Or maybe it's something in the air or water.
flashguy
It's been my experience that people who are attracted to places like that, or who live in resort-like areas, tend to be soft in the head. You are right, flashguy.
It's really OK though because they Identify as smart, so who are you to tell them they are dumber than a bag of fart smell?
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December 29, 2018, 10:15 PM
slosig
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Originally posted by flashguy:
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Originally posted by slosig: Of course the article is crap, as they typically are, but from a casual reading of the article, the law bans retail sale of dogs, cats, and rabbits from pet stores. So pet stores can’t sell them, but just from the (crap) article, there is nothing to keep the puppy mills from rocking on and selling through Craigslist or whatever. Typical half assed legislation that does not directly address the problem.
Surely you did not expect California legislators to use logic!
flashguy
No more so than the bright sparks who keep electing them and passing some of the initiatives...
December 29, 2018, 10:46 PM
ridgerat
Next.....hamsters, reptiles and goldfish.
Endowment Life Member, NRA • Member of FPC, GOA, 2AF & Arizona Citizens Defense League
December 29, 2018, 11:07 PM
flashguy
Retail sales of dogs and cats are not banned--pet stores can get them from shelters and sell them. Or pick them up off the streets for sale.
flashguy
Texan by choice, not accident of birth
December 29, 2018, 11:33 PM
bigdeal
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Originally posted by flashguy: Retail sales of dogs and cats are not banned--pet stores can get them from shelters and sell them. Or pick them up off the streets for sale.
flashguy
And I'm sure the folks hellbent on acquiring a pure bred or designer dog are going to stand in line to 'buy' a rescue mutt. If that were the case, rescues wouldn't have the issues they do trying to find homes for their dogs today.
As mentioned earlier, Craigslist and the like are going to become the new conduit through which people acquire the pedigree dogs they want and are willing to pay for from the same mills that supply the pet stores today. Cali politicos accomplished little to nothing with this legislation. Business as usual for government.
----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter
December 30, 2018, 07:59 AM
Sportshooter
Maybe it is finally time to start taxing every breath a California politician takes and require all their relatives to be spayed or neutered.
December 30, 2018, 08:23 AM
irreverent
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Originally posted by bigdeal:
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Originally posted by irreverent: I feel as though PETA has won another one. Along with the greyhounds in FL. I cannot believe people are that blind.
I asked one of the morons who voted to ban dog racing here in Florida if he was comfortable with the reality that his vote insured the deaths of 100's if not thousands of greyhounds given they will soon be worthless. He seemed a bit confused. Yeah.
I heard 1000s. A knowledgeable acquaintance had stated they have ~1000s racing in FL now, and approximately that same number in training (all better cared for than most privately owned pets, and DOING A JOB THEY LOVE). The adoption system across the country is about to be innundated, and once they’re overloaded, all the rest would have to be euthanized. If they absolutely HAD to do it, why they couldn’t have at least used common sense and phased it out over years so there wouldn’t be the upcoming disaster.
And they simply don’t seem to understand the repercussions of the precedent they’re setting..dogshows, agility, horse racing. This is going to get interesting when international interests with lots of money get involved.
Some animals were bred to be companions, some were bred for other jobs. Wth is going on with the world? I saw a social media post that had people criticizing a farmer for using a draft horse to help pull a semi out of a ditch..THAT IS IT’S JOB! “Horsepower”, people!!
Things are getting beyond dumb, and while I’m glad they aren’t outright banning the sale of pets in CA, this is definitely another brick in the wall.
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December 30, 2018, 08:51 AM
jhe888
They'll regulate anything, won't they.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything.
December 30, 2018, 08:53 AM
TigerDore
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Originally posted by arcwelder76: California, first in the nation to create black market for pets....
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December 30, 2018, 08:56 AM
TigerDore
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Originally posted by mark60: California sure is goofy fascist .
December 30, 2018, 11:56 AM
46and2
"First they came for the puppies, and I did not speak out - because I'm not a dog lover."
Or something like that.
California, my birth state, is out of its mind in so many ways. Tragic, really.
December 30, 2018, 11:58 AM
flashguy
bigdeal, I was just countering the statement that retail sales of pets would end--I wasn't suggesting that it was a solution or that it would make much of a difference. I expect Californians desiring a special or pedigreed pet will simply drive to Oregon, Nevada, or Arizona and get one there--AFAIK importation has not been outlawed.
FWIW, all of my 6 indoor cats were born in or near my back yard to feral queens (one of which still comes to my yard every day).
flashguy
Texan by choice, not accident of birth
December 31, 2018, 12:59 PM
newtoSig765
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Originally posted by jhe888: They'll regulate anything, won't they.
...or tax it:
-------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken
I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18
December 31, 2018, 04:01 PM
bigdeal
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Originally posted by flashguy: bigdeal, I was just countering the statement that retail sales of pets would end--I wasn't suggesting that it was a solution or that it would make much of a difference. I expect Californians desiring a special or pedigreed pet will simply drive to Oregon, Nevada, or Arizona and get one there--AFAIK importation has not been outlawed.
FWIW, all of my 6 indoor cats were born in or near my back yard to feral queens (one of which still comes to my yard every day).
flashguy
What would stop someone just outside of California from setting up a nice website selling their puppy mill animals and shipping them to their buyers in California? 'Or', setup a bogus address and phone number in Arizona associated with your website, sell online, and continue to unite buyers with their puppies at their current California address as usual. That's inter-state commerce and outside the control of the nitwits in Sacramento. My ultimate point is these fascist assholes and their blood lust to control everything have accomplished exactly nothing with this stupid legislation.
----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter
December 31, 2018, 04:04 PM
229DAK
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Or maybe it's something in the air....
Smog.
_________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902
December 31, 2018, 04:11 PM
bigdeal
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Originally posted by irreverent: If they absolutely HAD to do it, why they couldn’t have at least used common sense and phased it out over years so there wouldn’t be the upcoming disaster.
You actually used the term "common sense" in regards to an action recommended by a government group? According to the same voters who voted to approve the ban on dog racing, there will also be no vaping inside buildings or oil drilling offshore. Yeah...
I too know someone from the world of dog racing and he's mentioned a couple times that when push comes to shove and the final crack down ending dog racing occurs, quite a few of these dog owners will simple take their dogs into a field and crush their skulls rather than hassle with trying to find a rescue solution, given rescue groups will be totally unable to absorb that many new rescue animals. And for the ones who do get absorbed into the local rescue organizations (who run on very limited resources), what will that do to limit their abilities to help other animals? I personally would like to have a few reams of of pictures of euthanized dogs I could physically jam down the throats of the assholes who voted to ban dog racing in Florida. Stupid on steroids doesn't even begin to cover it.
----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter
December 31, 2018, 04:35 PM
irreverent
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Originally posted by bigdeal:
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Originally posted by irreverent: If they absolutely HAD to do it, why they couldn’t have at least used common sense and phased it out over years so there wouldn’t be the upcoming disaster.
You actually used the term "common sense" in regards to an action recommended by a government group? According to the same voters who voted to approve the ban on dog racing, there will also be no vaping inside buildings or oil drilling offshore. Yeah...
I too know someone from the world of dog racing and he's mentioned a couple times that when push comes to shove and the final crack down ending dog racing occurs, quite a few of these dog owners will simple take their dogs into a field and crush their skulls rather than hassle with trying to find a rescue solution, given rescue groups will be totally unable to absorb that many new rescue animals. And for the ones who do get absorbed into the local rescue organizations (who run on very limited resources), what will that do to limit their abilities to help other animals? I personally would like to have a few reams of of pictures of euthanized dogs I could physically jam down the throats of the assholes who voted to ban dog racing in Florida. Stupid on steroids doesn't even begin to cover it.
No kidding, you’re preaching to the choir. And God knows how the rescue groups are going to home these pups, because they have specific requirements (God forbid a hound snaps up fluffy the cat or tiny Tim the dog because it’s in their fricking genetics to run anything smaller than them down and make short work of it). So they need specific owner requirements, other housemate requirements, fenced yard requirements, and possibly equipment (basket muzzle) to protect anything smaller around them. I love these dogs, and I’m just disgusted that they are going to be obliterated because some fools decided to overregulate and will quite possibly wipe out an entire bloodline. It’s as though the human race forgot that WE SELECTIVELY BRED THEM FOR THESE TRAITS IN THE FIRST PLACE, along with every other damn domestic crtitter out there.
