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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Anyway, I just don't know for sure.

The one thing I know for sure is this Green Beret is a moron. That much is true.

Hard to argue with that.

I'm not entirely opposed to vigilantism if one is on the morally appropriate side.

Just keep your pie hole shut.

We speak frequently here of the shoot, shovel, and shut-up mantra when dealing with animals. The Taliban are animals IMO. This fella should have followed the last of the three.

I'm not entirely sure that I could have done what he did, but I'm not at all sad that he did what he did. He ultimately saved the lives of our soldiers...how many, we'll never know.

But, he (apparently) did it illegally. Unless The Donald steps in (which it looks like he may), I suspect this guy is fooked because he didn't "shut up".

Who was the Army officer from Florida who ran for the House? His plan was to scare the fuck out of a terrorist who had intel on IEDs. Shot a pistol in the proximity of the bad guy’s head. The officer got in intel he wanted, saved lives, but was tossed out of the Army. Fortunately, he had his twenty and retired. Twenty years of fighting these animals and nothing has changed. Green beret should have STFU.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Anyway, I just don't know for sure.

The one thing I know for sure is this Green Beret is a moron. That much is true.

Hard to argue with that.

If Trump gives him a Presidential Pardon, this is going to end in a shit storm for the administration.

Part of me has zero fucks to give over the loss of some POS, but the other part of me knows this was not right in anyway shape or form, from what I have read on the net.

This guy saw the Bin Laden shooter come out and thought he could do it too.

But he forgot that (1) Bin Laden shooter didn't do anything wrong, he just looked like an idiot from some poor interviews he gave while anonymous and (2) shooting a maybe Taliban Bomb maker doesn't have the ass behind it like maybe being the guy who killed Bin Laden.

The dude should have shut the fuck up, thanked his lucky stars that he wasn't prosecuted, made it to 20 doing whatever the Army wanted, then retired.

But he had to run his soup cooler on TV, maybe wanting to get his Silver Star back, and he royally fucked himself.

Either way, he's dumb, dumb, and dumb. First for what seems likely to be an illegal killing. Second for assuming he was in the right for doing so. Third for talking about it.

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Originally posted by PD:
Who was the Army officer from Florida who ran for the House? His plan was to scare the fuck out of a terrorist who had intel on IEDs. Shot a pistol in the proximity of the bad guy’s head. The officer got in intel he wanted, saved lives, but was tossed out of the Army. Fortunately, he had his twenty and retired. Twenty years of fighting these animals and nothing has changed. Green beret should have STFU.

Allen West.

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Who was the Army officer from Florida who ran for the House? His plan was to scare the fuck out of a terrorist who had intel on IEDs. ...

LTC Allen West.

Of course. I could’ve gotten that that on a multiple choice

Sometimes it seems that some people actually believe what they read in adventure books or see in the movies or on the teevee. “Yes, it’s possible to really get away with murder if the guy needed killin’, because everyone who knows about it will keep their mouths shut.” We’d think, though, that a Special Forces major would know better.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Sometimes it seems that some people actually believe what they read in adventure books or see in the movies or on the teevee. “Yes, it’s possible to really get away with murder if the guy needed killin’, because everyone who knows about it will keep their mouths shut.” We’d think, though, that a Special Forces major would know better.

PTSD? Seriously asking.
He still risks being in a mental hospital but, either way, that's the end of a normal life for him.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Yes. But what he apparently did was execute a captive.

Just for the record, I've come to learn that this was inaccurate. The man was not in captivity when he was killed.

Has that been established? The report I read stated that the man was in custody and they were going to be releasing him, but Golsteyn took him off base and executed him instead.

From https://www.foxnews.com/us/for...t-taliban-bomb-maker :

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Golsteyn and his men later found a suspected Taliban bomb maker nearby -- though he was not on a list of targets U.S. forces were cleared to kill.
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After he was detained, Golsteyn said the man refused to talk to investigators. Under the rules of engagement, Golsteyn was ordered to release him. However, Golsteyn was concerned that if he did so, the suspect would have in turn targeted Afghans who were helping U.S. soldiers.
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Golsteyn, according to Army documents obtained by the Washington Post, reportedly told the CIA that he took the suspected bomb maker off base, shot him and buried his remains in a shallow grave before returning to the site to dig up the remains and burn them in a pit used to dispose of trash.

If that's accurate, it sounds like he was effectively still a prisoner. Just because he transported the guy off base and may have said "You're free" just before he shot him doesn't really change the situation. The guy had been captured, was being escorted by an American soldier, and was unarmed and helpless at the time he was executed.

Shooting them all because it needs done sounds like a great end to the frustration. Until it doesn't.

Go Google Harry Callahan schooling Lt. Biggs for the short version of my thoughts on why.

But yeah, if true, this guy is toast, and IMHO rightfully so.

Pretty sure this guy somehow missed his first team sergeants briefing..."what happens in the field stays in the field"

dumb

It has become human nature to share too much.

Be careful with what you share, be it on facebook, twitter, or television interviews.

Very few are tough enough to remain quiet.
He was not tough enough.

is this a war, do we want to win it?

then we should do so by ANY and ALL means necessary to win

otherwise we're just wanking off in the wind

they're either the enemy or they're not - can't have it both ways

yeah, the guy was a moron and should have kept his mouth shut but he killed the enemy and I see that as a good thing

we're dealing with animals and vermin

treat them as such

I wonder how many lives he saved?

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Yes. But what he apparently did was execute a captive.

Just for the record, I've come to learn that this was inaccurate. The man was not in captivity when he was killed.

Has that been established? The report I read stated that the man was in custody and they were going to be releasing him, but Golsteyn took him off base and executed him instead.

From https://www.foxnews.com/us/for...t-taliban-bomb-maker :

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Golsteyn and his men later found a suspected Taliban bomb maker nearby -- though he was not on a list of targets U.S. forces were cleared to kill.
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After he was detained, Golsteyn said the man refused to talk to investigators. Under the rules of engagement, Golsteyn was ordered to release him. However, Golsteyn was concerned that if he did so, the suspect would have in turn targeted Afghans who were helping U.S. soldiers.
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Golsteyn, according to Army documents obtained by the Washington Post, reportedly told the CIA that he took the suspected bomb maker off base, shot him and buried his remains in a shallow grave before returning to the site to dig up the remains and burn them in a pit used to dispose of trash.

If that's accurate, it sounds like he was effectively still a prisoner. Just because he transported the guy off base and may have said "You're free" just before he shot him doesn't really change the situation. The guy had been captured, was being escorted by an American soldier, and was unarmed and helpless at the time he was executed.

Shooting them all because it needs done sounds like a great end to the frustration. Until it doesn't.

Go Google Harry Callahan schooling Lt. Biggs for the short version of my thoughts on why.

But yeah, if true, this guy is toast, and IMHO rightfully so.

Are we a nation of laws or lawlessness, dependent upon whoever happens to be in the Oval Office at the time? I was (and am) seriously disgusted by the complete contempt for the rule of law shown by the Obama Administration and the Clintons. Giving this guy a pardon for what appears to be a cold blooded murder would be at the least hypocritical. The Left would use such actions to justify their own, past was well as present. I supported Trump because I thought he just might be better than that, KNOWING HRC wasn't.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Sometimes it seems that some people actually believe what they read in adventure books or see in the movies or on the teevee. “Yes, it’s possible to really get away with murder if the guy needed killin’, because everyone who knows about it will keep their mouths shut.” We’d think, though, that a Special Forces major would know better.

But it sounds like he did get away with it until he ran his own yap.

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Sometimes it seems that some people actually believe what they read in adventure books or see in the movies or on the teevee. “Yes, it’s possible to really get away with murder if the guy needed killin’, because everyone who knows about it will keep their mouths shut.” We’d think, though, that a Special Forces major would know better.

But it sounds like he did get away with it until he ran his own yap.

Yes, and very often the one who can’t keep his mouth shut is the perpetrator.
In fact, it’s an article of faith among criminal investigators in totally unknown suspect “Who done it?” murders (and some other serious crimes) that sooner or later the perpetrator will start talking, the word will spread, and that will ultimately get back to the police.
In this case the perpetrator wasn’t the only one who was aware of what he did because he had help disposing of the body.

What I don’t understand is the statement that his admission during the CIA job interview polygraph couldn’t be used in court against him. Unless it’s a criminal investigation poly (which it wasn’t) and the individual wasn’t advised of his Miranda rights, there’s no reason why the statement couldn’t be used. It would be no different than if one guy admitted to the crime to another while they were sitting at a bar drinking. Such a statement might not be conclusive proof of the crime, but it could be used to bolster the overall case.

I had, and still have, no problem with the Phoenix program. I have no problem with any individual variations. I also have no problems with "Free Fire Zones."

War may be for "God, Country, and Apple Pie", but combat is for the man at your side wearing the same uniform.

The aftermath is a debate that I have no interest in.

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I would have no problem with any Taliban, especially a bomb maker, getting scragged, except for the disobeying of orders part. Even I, a civilian, have to obey bullshit orders if I want to keep my job. But I can always - and a number of times have - vote with my feet. A military officer has no such option and a much stricter duty to obey lawful orders.