Think I'm kidding? Close your eyes and listen to the screeching.

Student, 15, killed at North Carolina high school

This entire country is in serious need of a clean-up. Everyone involved with public "education" in this nation should be ashamed. The students should be ashamed. The parents should be ashamed. The teachers, the principals, the school boards. ALL OF THEM should be ashamed, but do they even have the first clue about it?

The hand of God should sweep across this nation.

Apparently, this all leads back to a fight between the sister of the kid charged with murder. She got into a fight with other females several weeks ago and it spilled over to her brother and others in this incident. What a mess.

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I'm a public high school teacher. I have nothing to be ashamed of. This behavior comes from the home. In the 17 years that my school has been open, there has been 1 minor fight. 300 students in my school.
Are LEO's responsible for crime?

I was angry when I wrote it- fed-up and thoroughly disgusted.

Naturally, there are good teachers, good parents and good students. This is unquestionable.

Having said that, any public school which has only one fight in 17 years- you must admit that this is highly exceptional and nowhere near the norm.

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Originally posted by rtquig:
I'm a public high school teacher. I have nothing to be ashamed of. This behavior comes from the home.

It comes from the home: Yes. But, in the school systems in which it's endemic, it is largely tolerated in the schools.

In the instant case the mother of the real victim, here, warned the school of the impending problem. Like the Oxford School System in Michigan: The school apparently disregarded the warning.

Also, there appears to have been a failure here:

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McLaughlin said her daughter’s original fight led to more than a dozen juveniles, including many shown in videos of Monday’s fatal fight, coming to her house in Southeast Raleigh roughly a week ago and assaulting both McLaughlin and her mother.

How is it the assaulters in that incident weren't arrested and charged? Did the victims fail to report the incident to police? Police failed to act?

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I was angry when I wrote it- fed-up and thoroughly disgusted.

Naturally, there are good teachers, good parents and good students. This is unquestionable.

Having said that, any public school which has only one fight in 17 years- you must admit that this is highly exceptional and nowhere near the norm.

1 fight over 17 years is very rare these days.
Every year over 800 test to get into this Marine Biology High School, 75 are accepted. These students thrive in this environment and it is a pleasure to teach them.
I don't think I could work in a "normal high school".

Apparently the lead-up to it started with girl fights. I know one gal who would never have done that-my dad was of the belief (and he was a school shop teacher) that NOTHING looked trashier than girls fighting. I would have been beaten to death at home if I did any brawling.

Put us in this camp as well. My wife has been a teacher in public schools and now a counselor for over 20 years. Knowing what she knows, our daughter goes to a private Christian school (which isn’t without its own problems, but it’s a damn sight better than what’s in this thread). Heck, I’m 53 and can remember the brutality that was in some schools when I was a kid. I vividly remember a mob of thugs that would grab dudes on the playground after lunch. They’d hold the unlikely victim in the air while two on each side would hold the poor souls legs apart and ram their crotch into a flagpole. This went on for DAYS before staff caught on and did something. Obviously some schools, kids, parents are better than others…I wouldn’t speak to something unless I’d seen it personally.

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Originally posted by synthplayer:
I think a disservice is done every time the media uses the term "teen" and doesn't mention the ethnicity of the teen. If it weren't for political correctness, then we'd understand who is really attacking and/or killing his/her classmates.

When my son got old enough to begin attending school, I investigated the public school to which he would be assigned. Even though we resided in a community that was only 14% Black, the school he would attend was 81% Black. Coupled with that information, I was already aware that public schools had become a joke compared with when I was young. Putting those two things together, my wife and I decided we really had no choice! We paid (through the nose) and enrolled him in a private school.

When I was in HS (late 80's) Fights were not frequent but not uncommon. Normally when a fight broke out bystanders would form a circle. Joining in was an unspoken taboo, especially not when someone was down. Yes, there was the occasional brawl between two small groups who didn't get along, but again no one joined. You were in it from the start or stayed out.

Everyone had a pocket knife on them. No matter how much you hated someone, the blade stayed in your pocket. There were rumors of knife fights but only one was reported, and quickly debunked as the kid caught is arm on the top of a chain link fence outside.

Oddly enough bullying was as common as a kid with a cold but it never turned into suicide or murder. You just dealt with it. Not sure where HS took a hard left turn but it was after I graduated.

This animal, pack attack mentality has to be dealt with. It needs to be dealt with seriously. It's one thing to be in a mutual combat fight, but when one participant goes down and a bunch of bystanders run up and start kicking that person in the body and head, they deserve significantly more punishment/charges.

I thank God every day for homeschooling.

Schools are a cesspool at best.

When the kids show up in the morning they lock there cell phone in a container. At the end of the day its returned.
I believe so much of this bad behavior is due to being able to publish to the internet there bad behavior.

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Originally posted by benny6:
I thank God every day for homeschooling.

It's one of the best ways to save our country right now.

Spent some time looking over this particular school’s website and viewing the summation pages of their School Progress Report.

This is a huge district with over 150,000 students!

The school where the brawl occurred is Southeast Raleigh Magnet High School with the following verbiage under its name: IB World School. University Connections: School of Design, Arts, and Engineering.

There are approximately 1,400 students in attendance at Southeast Raleigh Magnet High School.

To me the school’s progress report was of interest.

It appears that about 30% of students can perform at grade level this compares with 50% state-wide.

98% of seniors take AP or an honors course while 42% of the student body is grade-level proficient.

Only 28% of incoming 9th graders can read at grade level.

Approximately 82% of students graduate in 4 years this compares with almost 90% district-wide.

10% of students have received a short-term suspension that is a huge number! But it’s probably a few students given multiple short-term suspensions. Short-term suspension could mean removal from the school for a day or simply in the office for a single class. It hints to me that there is a cadre of a few kids that a often on a short-term suspension. This is one method schools use to avoid state scrutiny into a schools discipline history.

75% report school is safe (I assume that is from a student survey). That, in my view, is a very poor number. 85% district wide and the state percentage on safety was close to 90%. As a point of reference I worked in an alternative school and our student response was in the high 90s. This school has approximately 350 students who don’t feel safe in the school! That is alarming to me.

I note that the district appears to use a particular protocol when working with student discipline, which I believe, came out of the Obama department of education: MTSS (Multi Tiered Systems of Support). Not a fan.

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I’m going to guess that at this school the gym has seen brawls before this one. In this particular case it appears that the gym door was left open. If so, why was the gym left unlocked? A gym is way, way too large of a space to allow unsupervised student access. At my former school we never left the gym open when there was no supervision, never. It might turn out like the recent death of a student in LasVegas where the school and police knew that fights occurred after school in an alley nearby. Why wasn’t a school official routinely in that space during the relevant times? I once taught in a small school filled with rival gangs. To stop fights in the bus departure ares we had a staff member there with a VCR camera recording. For sure, they found other areas to settle disputes but it was a long way from the school grounds. One of the design flaws in the modern school house is that administration, including the SROs office, are all concentrated in one small area; this is foolish. We made it policy to keep track of the times and location where discipline “issues” occurred so that we could be there before hand. You can imagine the looks on kids faces when they discovered that I’d placed my “desk” for a time in the hall across from the bathroom! My experience with fights and bullying is similar to a previous poster, we had few. We were in the halls at passing times, I was outside before and after school, and we ate lunch with the kids.

What I observed over my career (retired now) is the significant increase in the number of kids and staff with significant trauma in their lives. Frankly, we’ve built a society that leaves too many kids in the soup of despair without safe structures to foster personal development nor do we provide kids with sufficient challenge and purpose. The modern school system is in many ways a forum in which educational “leaders” can lie to each other about the great things they are doing for kids, like a Magnet school where kids can’t read.

Silent

For a sorta large city, Raleigh is a decent place overall but the savages are chipping away around the edges. The rot of the Durham slums affects everything around it.

Wouldn't be the first "magnet" school, to put the advanced kids, in with the bottom performers, to even out some testing scores...

I'm glad I got out when I did.

My department was in the same complex as the Maximum Security Middle School (or Phoenix School of Achievement for the starry eyed delusional).

We had rapists and murderers that education was mandatory all the way up until incarceration.

This one from a coupla' weeks ago here in Las Vegas.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wire...hool-brawl-104922196

We have to fix the public schools system. Homeschooling and private schooling will do nothing to correct the problem. Over 90% of students attend public schools, and they will be who's running the show down the road.

If we don't deal with it now, we will face the consequences as we age.

The school district I work in is a shitshow.
They eliminated the LEO resource officers from the high schools because one of them handcuffed a girl who was punching people in the face including the principal. When she went after the cop he took her down and cuffed her. Oh no, can’t do that.
Twice this school year there have been fires started in restrooms in one particular high school, not just minor fires but big blazing infernos.
They’re destroying the new schools and pretty soon they’ll look just like the old schools.
Elementary teachers tell me even the young kids will just tell them to fuck off, you can’t do ANYTHING to me.
I would not put a child of mine in those schools.
My old friend who quit a couple years ago from security lived in this district, his wife was a teacher here. They homeschooled because of how bad it is.
They’d had enough and moved to a little town in Idaho. I’m hoping to join them soon.