This is tripwire level of troops.

Too big a number for the Russians to say oops we didn't see you we were aiming for then who ever he decides them are.

Putin is weighing his options.

He took the Germans out with the pipeline.

A War makes them freeze when the pipeline is turned off.

He is thinking on how much treasure and blood the US will put into the game.

Just in time for China to invade from the other direction.

All a direct result of President Potato projecting weakness.

That looks a tad too complicated for Bare Shelves sigmonkey. I’d like to watch Joe work that.

I’m watching NewsMax, joe was saying he’s (“going to cure cancer.) Might be old news but I’m new on the Pluto news channel.
What a promise!

What is about to happen is equivalent to falling thru the seat of an outhouse.

We are about to be neck deep in shit.

This President is incapable of making a correct foreign policy decision. In the words of President Obama "Don't under estimate Joe Biden's ability to fuck things up"

"I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” former Defense Secretary Robert Gates says of Vice President Joe Biden.

Now, he is President and will continue to keep that streak alive.

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Originally posted by Sigmund:
Funny how the media is ignoring the Budapest Agreement signed by Bill Clinton in 1994.

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances refers to three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994 to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.[1]

The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan.

As a result, between 1994 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons. Until then, Ukraine had the world's third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile,[2][3] of which Ukraine had physical, but not operational, control. Russia alone controlled the codes needed to operate the nuclear weapons[4][5] via Russian-controlled electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system.[4][5]...

I've been trying to make the time to find and post a link to the Budapest Agreement, so thanks for adding that pertinent factor into the discussion, Sigmund. Ukraine agreed to give up the nuclear weapons stored there by the Soviet Union, in exchange for guarantees that it's sovereignty would be protected, and the U.S. signed onto that agreement.

It's also worth noting that the Ukrainians took KIAs and casualties in Afghanistan, on behalf of the U.S. They have their flaws and domestic issues, but make no mistake about it- they are allies.

The Biden administration has already abandoned NATO allies and coalition partners in the surrender of Afghanistan. Abandoning Ukraine only further serves as a precedent for abandoning allies and discourages the possibility of coalitions in future conflicts.

I have zero interest in making Ukraine the 51st star on the U.S. flag, but I have a keen interest in denying Russia, which has demonstrated aggressive expansionist intentions, the strategic ports, oil, minerals, and food production that the country has to offer.

Military strategy often relies on denying an enemy or adversary the resources they need to continue to fight or take territory.

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The 4th Infantry Division (4 I.D.) of our local Army base has been placed on heightened alert, for possible rapid deployment.

At least somebody in this administration is paying attention to the border...wish it was ours.

Whatever forces are being deployed are merely there to support the Eastern NATO members, principally the Baltic's, Poland and Romania. The last decade or, so, exercises in those countries have been a constant so, there's a fair amount of equipment there. Nothing compared to Cold War-era but with, enough air support, can put up a defense should things spill-over.

NATO members are 'giving' weapons to Ukraine but, Ukraine is gonna have to do the heavy-lifting. Ukraine is gonna have to deal with this on its own, as Europe is incapable of dealing with bully's as a collective, the Balkan's has calmed-down but still unsolved, Russian adventure's in the Caucasus' to include bitting off Georgia and Crimea resulted in nothing done other other than 'strong words'.

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Originally posted by Anush:

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worthless piece of dirt most US politicians couldn't find on a map

2 Sig Forum members & 2 of my clients have immediate family living in that worthless piece of dirt.
https://www.google.com/maps/pl....2357137!4d39.701505

And your point? There are US citizens living all around the world in countries that mean exactly nothing to the overall scheme of world affairs. Ukraine, short of their money laundering prowess, is one of them. Let Putin and the Ukrainian leadership figure this one out. Everything Biden touches turns to shit. This doesn't need to be another item on his list of monumental failures.

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Originally posted by Anush:

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worthless piece of dirt most US politicians couldn't find on a map

2 Sig Forum members & 2 of my clients have immediate family living in that worthless piece of dirt.
https://www.google.com/maps/pl....2357137!4d39.701505

I may be one of those members and while I really like Ukraine and yes I have family there I truly believe we have no reason to be there.

As I stated in the other post, if it were not for the US/Soro's backed coup in 2014 there would be no issue....except for the normal corruption which has not gone away with the western backed UA .gov.

We started this shit in 2014 and only keep up the noise in a vain attempt to destabilize Russia.

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Originally posted by SIGnified:
All my Ukrainian friends say they are Russian …

This...at least in the east...totally different in the west

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Brush up on your history of the Ukraine. Most speak Ukranian, some Russian, Moldavian etc. Ask your friend how he feels about Joe Stalin, Chernobyl and the Nazis. Then you will know for sure.

All Speak Russian and Ukrainian....and until 2014 the east spoke Russian while the west did not....they understood it just fine but refused to speak it. I found this out the hard way when trying to communicate with a taxi driver in Lvov.

Since 2014 all documents must be in Ukrainian and they have shut done the 3 UA TV channels that were critical of the "NEW" government as well as jamming Russian TV signal.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Brush up on your history of the Ukraine. Most speak Ukranian, some Russian, Moldavian etc. Ask your friend how he feels about Joe Stalin, Chernobyl and the Nazis. Then you will know for sure.

Also ask them how they feel about the western Ukrainians who supported and worked with the Einsatzgruppen.

edited to add, not trying to be argumentative, Ukraine has never really been it's own country until after the wall fell and the East and West are very different as is Crimea.

Also ...while I need not say it... I have no love for Putin....but I have less love for Soro's and this whole "color revolution" bullshit.

That is why Putin is doing what he is doing.

Gee, I'd think that in Ukraine today any collaboration with the Einsatzgruppen would be utterly outweighed by the role of right-wing racist Russian "mercenaries" in Eastern Ukraine over the past several years.

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Originally posted by dewhorse:

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Brush up on your history of the Ukraine. Most speak Ukranian, some Russian, Moldavian etc. Ask your friend how he feels about Joe Stalin, Chernobyl and the Nazis. Then you will know for sure.

Also ask them how they feel about the western Ukrainians who supported and worked with the Einsatzgruppen.

...or, how was the Holodomor?

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Originally posted by dewhorse:

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Brush up on your history of the Ukraine. Most speak Ukranian, some Russian, Moldavian etc. Ask your friend how he feels about Joe Stalin, Chernobyl and the Nazis. Then you will know for sure.

Also ask them how they feel about the western Ukrainians who supported and worked with the Einsatzgruppen.

edited to add, not trying to be argumentative, Ukraine has never really been it's own country until after the wall fell and the East and West are very different as is Crimea.

Also ...while I need not say it... I have no love for Putin....but I have less love for Soro's and this whole "color revolution" bullshit.

That is why Putin is doing what he is doing.

Reminds me of something my kids say…

“At least I know Putin loves his country.”