It's obvious the election was a sham.

November 08, 2020, 12:46 AM

wildheartedson0105

quote:
Originally posted by goose5:Come on people we lost this one. Suck it up. Quit your bitching. Now let's prepare for 2024.

No, it is not lost. It is certainly ours when the true numbers are counted.

Prepare for 2024? LMMFAO. Yeah, the commies will play nice for four years.

November 08, 2020, 01:19 AM

Boss1

quote:
Originally posted by wildheartedson0105:
quote:
Originally posted by goose5:Come on people we lost this one. Suck it up. Quit your bitching. Now let's prepare for 2024.

No, it is not lost. It is certainly ours when the true numbers are counted.

Prepare for 2024? LMMFAO. Yeah, the commies will play nice for four years.

The D's aren't going to just allow this...they're going to do EVERYTHING possible to prevent it.

Could only stand a couple minutes of the local fake news...as per usual, they're doing their level best to oust Trump.

They're fully embracing trying to get on the 'build momentum for Ol' Sleepy' so no matter what he gets in' train.

Boss

November 08, 2020, 01:26 AM

KLGUY

quote:
Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
quote:
Originally posted by nhracecraft:
My 16 YO son has his whole life ahead of him. He's been paying attention, following the 'events' of 2020, and sees/knows what's REALLY going here. He thinks the country will be lost, and wants to move to Switzerland. I am at a loss for words...

Escaping creeping socialism by going to even more socialist Europe? Higher taxes, more restrictions on guns, less freedom, less rights, much higher cost of living and tiny apartments, and average people not having cars, that's the answer?

Never noticed average people not having cars.

November 08, 2020, 01:33 AM

lastmanstanding

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Come on people we lost this one. Suck it up. Quit your bitching. Now let's prepare for 2024.

If I lose money at the poker table fair and square that's when I suck it up, call it a loss and a bad night and move on. If I'm cheated out of money at the poker table I do not suck it up and call it a loss I call being cheated out of what's mine and will get it back.

We didn't "lose" anything here it was taken from us just as if someone broke into you're house and cleaned you out. I'm not going to suck this up or quit bitching. 2024 means nothing if this is allowed to stand. It will be the same machines and the same people running them in 2024 as now. Hell with these fuckers in the White House there's no guarantee there will be elections in 2024. Why bother going through the motions?

November 08, 2020, 01:57 AM

Lefty Sig

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Goose - what makes you think the next mid-term election (or others) won't be as fraudulent?

The Georgia Senate run off election in January will be low turnout, which means it will take a lot less votes to fix it for the commies, but also perhaps more obvious when they do?

I am not seeing any Republicans except Ted Cruz standing up for Trump. I think they are complicit. I think they are going to let this go as long as they can keep their jobs. Maybe they made a deal with the devils to sacrifice Trump and get back to establishment control of the party. They got the benefit of coat tailing him in this election and that's all they needed.

The use of COVID as an excuse to justify the massive increase in mail-in votes will not work again. No one will fall for it a second time, so that will help. The delays in counting all the mail-in votes and the unexplained stoppages provided the perfect cover. President Trump has been saying this would happen for months, and it did. Funny how they always set he's got crazy conspiracy ideas but then they actually come true.

What can we do? Lobby our state reps/senators to ban large scale mail-in voting and implement the following voting reforms:

- Voter ID
- Registration that is more easily tied to residence and not being dead - perhaps driver's licenses?
- Secure system to track votes and catch any double votes - perhaps the state level income tax system can be modified for this?
- Absentee votes only on request, no blanket mailings or other crap. Secure electronic submission instead of mail.
- No changes to voting law allowed within one year of an election, or they skip to the next election. Changing processes takes time and last minute changes will cause screws ups.
- Standardized voting processes across the state with certified machines that are not "black boxes" with opaque source code.
- Non-partisan voting integrity officers to monitor elections. Not sure how to do this such that they are truly impartial. Full transparency to representatives of all parties. Everyone works on a camera just like a casino, all actions are recorded and reviewable and broadcast in real time to outside election monitors.
- No ballot harvesting ever again
- All ballots cast electronically, with printed record, no handwriting except a signature
- Limit early voting so that people do not vote before the last debate or so early that they may change their mind (PA had a lot of "can I change my vote" questions after the last debate).

We also need SCOTUS to rule that Voter ID is not voter suppression where it has been struck down by lower courts, and various other things related to the above.

Then we need to SHAME every democrat that persists in keeping any system that makes fraud easier or makes the appearance of fraud more likely. We need secure systems, and people need to be confident in them.

ABOVE ALL we need to play the game better. It was well known for years that you cannot win in NASCAR without cheating the rules. You just had to do it better and less obviously. I am sick of RINO's like Mitt Romney that play the "above the fray" crap and lose elections. Fighting a fair fight and losing doesn't help us. The party platform needs absolutes, not "same as the democrats just a few years later". Conservative justices need to counter party line votes by the liberals. The liberals ALWAYS vote on political lines no matter what the issue is. ALWAYS. They do not use reasoned sound jurisprudence or Heller would have been 9 to 0. Any justice that claims "the people" meant "the state government" is a moron and a political hack. How to do this? I don't know, but they need to hear it loud and clear.

We also need to pick our battles and give up on stupid shit. Our platform should be THE CONSTITUTION, BILL OF RIGHTS, and LIFE, LIBERTY, and PROPERTY, and the prevention of collectivism.

November 08, 2020, 02:20 AM

Boss1

^^If the run-off elections decide who controls the Senate, you can bet your a$$ they will be in it 1000%.

As with others, when I've lost fair and square, I man up and can shake the other person's hand.

What is happening now is NOT that. Based on the evidence I've seen, this election needs serious intervention, investigation, litigation, and correction.

$.02 worth.

Boss

November 08, 2020, 05:43 AM

XinTX

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You want to bet everything on the SCOTUS getting it right? I don't.

It's SCOTUS that led to a lot of this mess in the first place. Saying it was okay for PA to continue to collect votes AFTER election day (a day that's specified in the Constitution) and to collect mail in votes with no postmark, and not verifying signatures. All this due to Roberts personal dislike for Trump. And once ACB had her seat on the court, she turned her back on the man who fought to get her that seat. I'm personally disgusted with SCOTUS.

November 08, 2020, 06:31 AM

lastmanstanding

quote:
Originally posted by XinTX:
quote:
You want to bet everything on the SCOTUS getting it right? I don't.

It's SCOTUS that led to a lot of this mess in the first place. Saying it was okay for PA to continue to collect votes AFTER election day (a day that's specified in the Constitution) and to collect mail in votes with no postmark, and not verifying signatures. All this due to Roberts personal dislike for Trump. And once ACB had her seat on the court, she turned her back on the man who fought to get her that seat. I'm personally disgusted with SCOTUS.

Did I miss something? How did ACB turn her back on Trump? She hasn't rendered a opinion on anything yet has she? I know she didn't on the Pennsylvania ruling. That was 4 to 4 because she didn't participate as she was not yet seated I believe.

November 08, 2020, 07:17 AM

XinTX

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:

Did I miss something? How did ACB turn her back on Trump? She hasn't rendered a opinion on anything yet has she? I know she didn't on the Pennsylvania ruling. That was 4 to 4 because she didn't participate as she was not yet seated I believe.

SCOTUS was 4-4 in a ruling that let the decision by the lower court stand. Trump campaign re-filed the motion for injunctive relief after ACB was seated given it would no longer be an 8 member court. ACB declined to take part stating she didn't have time to review it. She could have asked for more time, but didn't even do that. In doing so, she turned her back on Trump. She's another Roberts as far as I'm concerned.

November 08, 2020, 07:44 AM

lastmanstanding

quote:
Originally posted by XinTX:
quote:
Originally posted by lastmanstanding:

Did I miss something? How did ACB turn her back on Trump? She hasn't rendered a opinion on anything yet has she? I know she didn't on the Pennsylvania ruling. That was 4 to 4 because she didn't participate as she was not yet seated I believe.

I stand corrected then. But lets not pigeon hole her just yet lets see what happens.

SCOTUS was 4-4 in a ruling that let the decision by the lower court stand. Trump campaign re-filed the motion for injunctive relief after ACB was seated given it would no longer be an 8 member court. ACB declined to take part stating she didn't have time to review it. She could have asked for more time, but didn't even do that. In doing so, she turned her back on Trump. She's another Roberts as far as I'm concerned.

November 08, 2020, 07:48 AM

ChuckWall

These idiot Democrats celebrating the "victory" miss a very important point. If the powers that be will do this right in front of our eyes, what else are they willing to do? Especially in the dead of night.

November 08, 2020, 08:32 AM

.38supersig

I think I missed the part in the election laws where the winner was decided by CNN?

The announcements on TV were done to obfuscate the cheating process. Too convenient to let it rip while everybody was around the proverbial dinner table.

quote:
Originally posted by Lefty Sig:

The Georgia Senate run off election in January will be low turnout, which means it will take a lot less votes to fix it for the commies, but also perhaps more obvious when they do...

(We need)

- Voter ID
- Registration that is more easily tied to residence and not being dead - perhaps driver's licenses?
- Secure system to track votes and catch any double votes - perhaps the state level income tax system can be modified for this?
- Absentee votes only on request, no blanket mailings or other crap. Secure electronic submission instead of mail.
- No changes to voting law allowed within one year of an election, or they skip to the next election. Changing processes takes time and last minute changes will cause screws ups.
- Standardized voting processes across the state with certified machines that are not "black boxes" with opaque source code.
- Non-partisan voting integrity officers to monitor elections. Not sure how to do this such that they are truly impartial. Full transparency to representatives of all parties. Everyone works on a camera just like a casino, all actions are recorded and reviewable and broadcast in real time to outside election monitors.
- No ballot harvesting ever again
- All ballots cast electronically, with printed record, no handwriting except a signature
- Limit early voting so that people do not vote before the last debate or so early that they may change their mind (PA had a lot of "can I change my vote" questions after the last debate)...

I think Georgia has all or most of these in place.

November 08, 2020, 08:41 AM

sourdough44

Cases will play out in court, I can see what way the winds are blowing though.

IF NOTHING ELSE, appreciate the 4 years we had with President Trump. At the time of his winning, Hildabeast was the expected front runner.

Also remember the 4 years they hounded Trump & his family. That alone makes the ‘not my president’ easy to come by.

What options are there besides keeping in the fight? I’ve always tried to make my way regardless of who’s in the top office. The Obummer years were the worst.

Hopefully the Senate holds. Again, not quite over, without honest elections much is lost.

November 08, 2020, 08:45 AM

Ace31

Suggest all watch/listen starting at the 1550 mark.

Electronic Voter Fraud

November 08, 2020, 09:02 AM

bdylan

The country really will descend into socialism. Our broken media seems to have designs on sharing power with the commies. Networks were making it a point to inform viewers that the Biden coronation was 'official'. This country has been stolen by leftist.

November 08, 2020, 09:24 AM

PGT

quote:
Originally posted by Ace31:
Suggest all watch/listen starting at the 1550 mark.

Electronic Voter Fraud

Yeah, no. Plausible? Sure. Based in evidence and hard sources....not a chance. Dennis Montgomery was prosecuted for selling the gov fraudulent software back during the GWOT...i.e. he's a fraud, a swindler.

November 08, 2020, 09:43 AM

Micropterus

Not sure if posted elsewhere.

https://www.americanthinker.co...s_may_be_coming.html

quote:

November 8, 2020
Wait Just a Minute! Some Very Good News May Be Coming

Like many, I spent the last few nights waking up at 2:03 A.M., no reason, then looking at my phone for news, any news, that might be positive for President Trump. I survived on Rush, Bongino, Mark Levin. When the news continued to be ugly, I even checked in on ridiculous bloggers promising that ballots were watermarked and D.J. (our household name for a president we love) was actually launching a sting on the Deep State.

Enough already. Stop the madness.

Hey, I have a degree in statistics, and I have some level of critical thought. If there is such pessimism in my tribe, I am not going along.

So today, I started to dig into the numbers, and as I did, I fought my confirmation bias at every step.

I realized that I, like millions of others, had been numbed into despondency by the overwhelming press, media, social media push to certify President-Elect Biden. (I put that in there so you can see how repellent it is.)

Hey guys, this thing is not only not over; it is scary for Biden. I mean really scary, and most of all, the media know it. Thus, the rush to get everyone in line with the narrative that a 78-year-old, early-dementia former V.P., who could not draw a crowd larger than a dozen, just beat D.J. in a fair election.

Process that for a moment.

Start with Pennsylvania. Biden, as of this writing, is at 290 electoral votes. Pennsylvania is 20.

I read the Justice Alito opinion, and it is pretty clear that he wants the after election night at 8:00 P.M. votes separated for a reason. Biden is going to lose at the Supreme Court, and they know it. Four justices already said the Pennsylvania Supreme Court cannot adjust voting rules. A new arrival, Justice Barrett, says she is there to apply the rules in the Constitution. OK, wanna bet she does?

Remove the after 8:00 P.M. ballots, and Biden loses Pennsylvania. Biden 270.

Let's visit Nevada. I have lots of friends in California who have condos in Nevada to evade state taxes. There are not a couple of people doing this; there are tens of thousands. Everyone knows it, and California seeks them out.

Our old pal Harry Reid knows it as well, and he apparently has them voting in droves in this election. Probably not a big D.J. constituency. Within 72 hours of the election, the Trump team found, validated over 3,500 of them. I do not suspect that Trump's people stopped counting.

Every one of these is a ballot reduction for Biden

Nevada, as of now, is well within reach for DJ and the Trump team — particularly when the California crowd is reduced. And a few of them may testify since a false vote is a very bad thing, with jail time if convicted. Maybe a bigger story here.

Remember where we are, people. Biden is at 270 after a highly probable Supreme Court decision (read Alito and concurring opinions).

Lose Nevada, lose the election.

But wait: it gets better.

Let's visit Wisconsin. Right now, it is 20,000 votes in Uncle Joe's direction. Lots of stories out there, well below the Google fold, that there are way more Wisconsin votes than there are registered voters. OK, maybe the dead can vote up there — probably a Midwest thing.

Well, last night, we found that Wisconsin election clerks were told, and followed the direction, to modify mail-in ballots and fill in the blanks where witnesses left out critical info.

I am sure it was just a good customer service thing and they meant no harm. The problem is every such ballot is now toast.

There were "thousands" of such prima facie wrongful votes. Oops. Biden up 20,000 — now that number is in question. No more truckloads of votes coming in, so every ballot D.J.'s team eliminates gets President-Elect Biden on step closer to former V.P. Biden who lives in a basement. Not good here.

North Carolina. That one pretty much looks like as though it is over and D.J. won it. Fox News is rumored to call it for Trump around April 2021.

Remember where we are here. Biden is probably going to lose Pennsylvania, so if he loses even one state, even one Electoral College vote, ouch!

Either D.J. wins outright, or it goes to the House, which means that D.J. has four more years.

We're not done yet.

Michigan. Oh, yes, the land of the "glitches" in the voting machines. Six thousand votes for Trump given to Biden in one of 47 counties where that software is used. About 150,000 votes in Biden's favor right now.

Google the 130,000 Biden votes that showed up in the middle of the night, and you can see how the wonderful people at Google are fact-checking this "debunked" story. In fact, for fun, Google "Michigan voter fraud," and you get literally three pages of "this was fact checked and proven to be false." Why would Google be so assiduous?

They too see that if Amy votes with the four, Biden is one vote away from the basement.

Lawsuits in Michigan and the other states are being launched, and discovery will take place. Google will not be there.

Voter fraud is kind of like larceny. A little is OK. It is even kind of entertaining.

Dead people have been voting for a hundred years in Democratic cities. It is such a constant that one would think the Republican Party would consider a Dead Voter Outreach program to get their share.

But voter fraud on this scale is just not sustainable. It does not pass the common sense test.

We have bloggers with lots of time on their hands going through voter rolls and showing that person after person who voted in a swing state also fought in the Civil War or maybe the War of 1812. It was funny at first, but the overwhelming number now goes beyond humor and rubs our faces in it.

I think D.J. has to swing one state. Actually, one electoral vote. Not only is this thing not over, but the Biden team must be sweating bullets.

Voter fraud at scale seemed like a really cool idea until D.J. went to the mattresses. Now that he is fighting it out one voter at a time, with the Supreme Court likely to create the starting point at Biden 270, Biden has everything to lose.

Perk up!

November 08, 2020, 09:46 AM

Rick Lee

quote:
Originally posted by PGT:
quote:
Originally posted by Ace31:
Suggest all watch/listen starting at the 1550 mark.

Electronic Voter Fraud

Yeah, no. Plausible? Sure. Based in evidence and hard sources....not a chance. Dennis Montgomery was prosecuted for selling the gov fraudulent software back during the GWOT...i.e. he's a fraud, a swindler.

What better way to discredit future charges of election meddling than to prosecute him before it's put to use?

November 08, 2020, 11:27 AM

Boss1

quote:
Originally posted by ChuckWall:
These idiot Democrats celebrating the "victory" miss a very important point. If the powers that be will do this right in front of our eyes, what else are they willing to do? Especially in the dead of night.

This of course. They've done a really good job of convincing their sheeple that as soon as Orange Man Bad is gone, it's going to be a utopia for fairness and freedom

(except the deplorables they want to put on lists

).

Boss

November 08, 2020, 02:07 PM

Rey HRH

Here's what I fucking know:

Trump slashed regulations, taxes, and put America first. Because of Trump's actions and policies, the US has become a net oil energy exporter for the first time in decades, GDP had been rip roaring along before Covid, the stock market had its longest bull run before Covid, unemployment went to new lows and record lows for blacks, poverty level went down, median earnings increased, and criminal justice reform was passed to mitigate the disproportionate harm that affected blacks.

Trump had blacks in Chicago being publicly vocal in their support for him. Trump had LGBTQ people in San Francisco being publicly vocal in their support for him. Trump had people in liberal Beverly Hills being publicly vocal for him.

Trump's rallies were full of enthusiastic supporters and Biden's rallies had less people and enthusiasm than a gathering of Amway prospects. Trump received more votes from Latinos and Blacks than in 2016 and, I believe, more than any other Republican candidate. The people who voted for Trump on nothing more than spit and that he wasn't Hillary saw that Trump worked on and delivered on his promises.

How the fuck did Trump lose without election fraud is beyond any reasonable person's mind. No wonder the question to Trump was whether he was going to commit to a peaceful transition. And, wisely, Trump didn't take the bait.