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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
But the disenfranchised poor folk don't know how to get one them there fancy voting IDs.

Yet for medication, alcohol, and social services, they magically can get that ID out no problem.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

Here in Florida you need a voters registration card

Really?

I have never been asked to show a voter's registration card. Not once. Never.

On the other hand, I am asked for government issued photo ID every time I vote. Well, actually, they ask for Driver License, and they get really confused when I present a passport card instead.

What gets on the TV is some 80 some year old that doesn’t have a laundry list of identification that’s supposedly required by the mean old government. Pity that the group that trotting the person out doesn’t have the time to actually get them a voter ID.
On the other hand a reporter goes into a poor neighborhood and starts asking people if the have a photo ID? Invariably, the response is “You have got to be kidding me. Of course I have a photo ID.” That sometimes gets on TV.
I’m surprised that there aren’t voter ID services offered at the polls. “Yes, we’ll let you vote. Meanwhile we’ll get you signed up for a voter ID card”

I've had to show ID for, among other things, renting a motel room and seeing a prospective apartment. All this business about difficulty and cost of obtaining an ID is bogus, made-up bullshit.

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Originally posted by Icabod:
Pity that the group that trotting the person out doesn’t have the time to actually get them a voter ID.
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I’m surprised that there aren’t voter ID services offered at the polls. “Yes, we’ll let you vote. Meanwhile we’ll get you signed up for a voter ID card”

Two very good points.

Keep searching vt, you aren't going to find any logical argument for it, minus a few racists (Democrats) that will say black folks are too stupid to aquire an ID when everyone knows that virtually everyone has an ID.

Think long and hard of the stupidest people you know, the most disadvantaged, drug addicts. Does anyone you know at all in your life, or anyone you have ever met not have an ID or DL? Yet the Democratic party deems the black population lower than the stupidest, poorest, most addicted person you can think of.

Which side are the racists again?

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Keep searching vt, you aren't going to find any logical argument for it

And that's my point. There's no logical argument for NOT requiring photo ID for voting. So what logic do the feds use in determining they should block that requirement?

It's a giant waste of our [the taxpayers'] time and money, and makes no danged sense.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

Here in Florida you need a voters registration card

Really?

I have never been asked to show a voter's registration card. Not once. Never.

On the other hand, I am asked for government issued photo ID every time I vote. Well, actually, they ask for Driver License, and they get really confused when I present a passport card instead.

I'm pretty sure when they scan your drivers license it tells them if you're registered to vote. But, you have to be registered. When you register to vote they give you a voters registration card. There are plenty of people with driver's licenses that aren't registered to vote:

"In Florida, you must register to vote through the Florida Division of Elections to be able to vote on Election Day.
You can also register to vote at a Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles (FLHSMV) office when you make any driver's license transactions."

https://www.dmv.org/fl-florida/voter-registration.php

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And while we are at it. I think the blocking of things like this should NOT be doable by just one judge. Three separate court judges maybe.

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
I am a little puzzled. Why would the feds be blocking an ID requirement for voting.

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Likely due to the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the special provisions therein which uniquely apply mostly to the deep southern states.

When I lived in Fl, we had to show ID.

When I voted by mail in ballot an officer had to see my ID and swear I was who I said I was and he had to seal the envelope.

When I moved to NC all your u had to do was say a name on a list in front of you to vote....of course you had to register to vote...but they would also sign you up on the spot. I saw fraud. I once was asked why I was wearing my police uniform while I was in line to vote. It sparked some kinda problem because my boss called me and asked me to go change and then vote( that didn’t happen)

When I moved to TX I was relieved that IDs were required here.

I know that the dems are seriously afraid that if IDs were required in NC some fraud would be found and the ballot box stuffing would have to stop.

When I was a cop, I ran across maybe two or three people in a 18 year career who didn’t have an ID...even the illegals we caught had Mexican IDs...the very few were so old they had no ID and no way to prove who the were because they had been born on a farm and never had a birth certificate or ssn or anything.

We always get asked for ID when we vote.

So let me guess...

You need a photo ID to open a bank account, apply for an EBT card, any public benefits, start a utility service, rent a hotel room, rent a car, transfer money at a WalMart, buy a phone, get a library card....and there are probably several hundred other things we could come up with...

But getting a photo ID to vote is a hardship?

Really?

Let’s PROVE citizenship. Make that HARD for the obvious reasons that it should be hard. Now let’s see about IDs.

Before Oregon went to vote by mail (at least 20 years ago) I remember going to the polls and having to show photo ID (drivers license, military ID) in order to vote.

I never felt like I was being discriminated against, and in fact I am greatly in favor of having to show ID to vote.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
I value my right and responsibility to vote.
So much so, that I am pleased we have photo ID to vote in my area, and would that it be used everywhere, because I do not want anyone "stealing" another's vote, nor "stealing" the value of another's vote, without regard to the party/person anyone the vote is cast.

You are fair minded, sigmonkey.
Unfortunately, there are people who believe the ends justify the means. They wouldn't hesitate to cheat to steal an election if they can't win.

There are several methods of either voting more than once (in multiple jurisdictions) or voting for other people. Accurate voter rolls and positive voter identification are necessary to both recognize and to prevent this from happening.

NOT requiring the most stringent voter ID possible is a feature, not a bug for those who wish to cheat to win at any cost.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
But the disenfranchised poor folk don't know how to get one them there fancy voting IDs.

Fundamentally, that is the claim, but to be a little less smart-assed about it, they think that poor people, who they also think are more often black and brown, will not be as able to get a photo ID and don't have them already. (They have less time, less money, can't get to the DMV, etc.) They sometimes claim this is also true for old people. Therefore, requiring those IDs is discriminatory, and more to the point, discriminates against their voters.

Part of the claim is also that voting is so fundamental that it ought to not be burdened in the slightest.

There are many flaws in these arguments.