Stolen Valor Assistance Request

May 24, 2024, 10:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CD228:
quote:
Originally posted by BB61:
Thanks for all the replies. Some very good ideas for me. Still hoping to see if there is some report detailing all those who assisted. That would be extraordinarily helpful.

Thanks again.

I'm not an expert on the Pentagon site, but based on what I saw at Ground Zero, you won't find a complete official list. Too many self dispatched first responders, bystanders, tradesmen, volunteers, etc. Maybe there is a registry, for medical surveillance, but that would have been self sign up.

For official documents, I'd look for the death certificates he supposedly signed as there was only 184 people killed at the Pentagon. That or his alleged medals.

One of the other poster's spouses was at the Pentagon, maybe she can tell us more about personnel accountability or lack there of at the Pentagon. They may have run tighter site access logs given the nature of the building and they may have kept crime scene logs.

Or you can look at the official report that I linked above in my post that details this information. I doubt there is a list of "everyone involved" because how would you limit/define that? But the report does detail pretty much everything that this guy claims and is nothing like what he claims.

___________________________________________
Life Member NRA & Washington Arms Collectors

Mistake not my current state of joshing gentle peevishness for the awesome and terrible majesty of the towering seas of ire that are themselves the milquetoast shallows fringing my vast oceans of wrath.

Velocitas Incursio Vis - Gandhi

May 24, 2024, 11:05 AM

95flhr

I was at the Pentagon working with Defense Protective Service and other Federal Agencies setting up temporary communications systems and working on them for several days after the attack.

I know I didn’t see anything that would lead me to believe there was any portion of the planes fuselage big enough to crawl through, let alone any a seat that was still in one piece.

I did not enter the impact zone, but I was in many instances less than 100 yards from it and many of the staging areas.

May 24, 2024, 01:05 PM

smlsig

According to the report listed above the plane had most of its 7256 gallons of fuel on board and hit the Pentagon going 530 MPH.

I seriously doubt that the fuselage was anything more than pieces and all the souls aboard were torn to shreds…

I call BS on the story.

May 24, 2024, 01:33 PM

sigmonkey

May 24, 2024, 02:20 PM

BB61

quote:
Originally posted by Loswsmith:
quote:
Originally posted by CD228:
quote:
Originally posted by BB61:
Thanks for all the replies. Some very good ideas for me. Still hoping to see if there is some report detailing all those who assisted. That would be extraordinarily helpful.

Thanks again.

I'm not an expert on the Pentagon site, but based on what I saw at Ground Zero, you won't find a complete official list. Too many self dispatched first responders, bystanders, tradesmen, volunteers, etc. Maybe there is a registry, for medical surveillance, but that would have been self sign up.

For official documents, I'd look for the death certificates he supposedly signed as there was only 184 people killed at the Pentagon. That or his alleged medals.

One of the other poster's spouses was at the Pentagon, maybe she can tell us more about personnel accountability or lack there of at the Pentagon. They may have run tighter site access logs given the nature of the building and they may have kept crime scene logs.

Or you can look at the official report that I linked above in my post that details this information. I doubt there is a list of "everyone involved" because how would you limit/define that? But the report does detail pretty much everything that this guy claims and is nothing like what he claims.

^^^
I've downloaded and started reading it. It already says two things that are helpful. First by noon, the site was secured and two only professional S&R were allowed in.

May 24, 2024, 02:27 PM

Loswsmith

Yeah, its a lot, but it also details how the dead were certified and it does talk specifically about persons responding from Walter Reed (and MANY other nearby hospitals) specified by name and detailing how/where they responded. And there are a lot more than just one person (surprising me not at all).

May 24, 2024, 06:42 PM

Hound Dog

It took me awhile to remember a bunch of stuff - for example, I read an article about cadaver dogs at the Pentagon. They stated they only found small pieces of bodies, and had to ID everybody by DNA. So, the idea that this guy was walking through the fuselage and unbuckling 'fried' passengers is ludicrous. The fuselage would have been obliterated, scattered into pieces the size of crushed soda cans, and they would be lucky to find an entire intact limb, much less entire bodies.

Just on that reason alone, he is full of it.

One must always exercise caution when it comes to confronting these potential stolen valour cases. I think it would be better to let a fake get by than to falsely accuse a genuine hero.