I’ll spare you all the sordid details of why I am asking for assistance. With that in mind, is there a way to get a list of all military personnel that participated in search and rescue, medical and recovery efforts at the Pentagon/plane on 9/11 and thereafter? In addition, are there any photos of the plane that hit the Pentagon? If possible, is there any official documentation of where victims were found in the plane, their ages and condition?

Finally, if it helps, it would be an Army physician who was doing their residency at Walter Reed/Bethesda at the time of the attack.

I want to assure everyone that I would not ask such sensitive questions if it was not necessary.

If you prefer, you can send me an email. Just post here that you’ve sent me an email and I will respond.

Thank you!

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In addition, are there any photos of the plane that hit the Pentagon?

Some mangled pieces of the plane are shown in this article.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/phot...9-11-attack-46488469

Thank you Q!

 
I do not know about getting a list, but my wife was one, together with her cadaver-detection dog. There were some 3 dozen+ just cadaver dog teams, plus supporting personnel. After actual body parts were recovered at the crash site, the procedure was for a Bobcat to remove a pile of rubble and bring it to an adjacent fenced off parking area, where it was spread out for the dogs to work. There was not much in the way of human remains to be found, just bits and pieces, but they did recover DNA from all the victims. The biggest hazard was jet fuel, which saturated everything.
 
The FBI (whose crime scene it was) gave a lot of credit to the dog teams. They had expected to spend 3 months on the scene, but the dogs allowed them to clear it in something like 1 month.
 
No list I know of (or have) that I could send you. There was a lot of volunteer support, such as the T-Mobile tent with free calling home, visits by members of Aerosmith, whose East Coast tour was cancelled. (My wife bought a bunch of plain white T-shirts and had Steven Tyler autograph them with a magic marker. She put them up for bid on e-bay, and the proceeds went to civilian, volunteer dog teams, some of whom just took off from their jobs with the blessing of their employer but no financial support). Lots of tents with food, vet care, medical care, etc.
 
Her favorite dining place was the Salvation Army tent from NC, with good Southern food and 2 slices of Wonder Bread, which her dog grew fond of.
 
A snapshot of just a few of the dog and handlers, including my wife, also including a special visitor.
 

That does not sound like stolen valor to me. Off he was a resident it is quite possible he may have been on site.

Perhaps we need to hear the 'sordid details'...

It’s an abuse case where he is claiming his actions at the 9/11 site have lead to PTSD. His claims are that he had to clean out the plane of bodies, the plane was like a soup of body parts and he personally unbuckled three children’s bodies who were burned to a crisp. He also loaded up body bags. He also claims he was also the last searcher out of the Pentagon and had to help a searcher who had collapsed. He also claims that he was the ONLY doctor that would agree to go help. So as a first year resident, he was the sole physician on scene and had to sign the death certificates. He claims he received some commendation(s) for it.

I simply do not believe that he was the ONLY doctor at Walter Reed and Bethesda that would go. Or that he would be allowed to crawl through the Pentagon and the plane with no training. I have also found information that supports my belief that death certificates were signed by civilian authorities and certainly not on scene. This person is using these claims, among others, to manipulate elderly family members for financial gain.

If he is still in, he should be able to provide a document showing his previous assignments, it used to be called an ORB (officer record brief), but they changed our record keeping system lately and now it's a weird document and a lot of them are screwed up.

If he is out, he should be able to produce a DD 214 showing his time in service, that should show if he was in at the time of 9/11, it should also show his awards.

He should be able to provide copies of his award documents. They should be in his IPERMS (personnel file in digital format). If he does show you the documents, ask for the DA 638, it should have the list of people that signed off on the award. Then look them up to see if they are legitimate.

You could also contact Walter Reed and ask if he was employed there. I doubt they would answer.

Given the situation you described, you might want to engage law enforcement. They should be able to get his service record and potentially his medical record. There should be a diagnosis of PTSD in it. If he is out, he may have VA documents showing the PTSD diagnosis.

I was in Manhattan on 9/11 and then went down to the site later in the week with my Vollie Ambulance CORPS to assist. I can tell you that there was not a lot of accountability of first responders from external agencies. I did see the pile and I did not see any intact fuselage parts. A number of my FDNY fiends commented on the landing gear being found on the site.

I wasn't at the Pentagon, but the info you provided raises my eyebrows. Given how long the scene (both sites) were active and the amount of recovery operations conducted, I highly doubt that he was "the last searcher out", especially given the amount of Emergency Service Personnel on scene. The Army generally doesn't train Urban Search and Rescue, that's FEMA's USAR teams and the Local Fire and Emergency Services. That said I later met a couple of Soldiers who were at the Pentagon (once I joined the Army), they were very low key about it. Most had been stationed at the Pentagon when it was hit. It's possible that he did make his way to the site to help.

Another question on that vein, why would you send a brand-new Dr into the building. Most organizations, including the military bring victims to a triage or casualty collection point and then then move them to transport, treatment or mortuary affairs. Putting the DR inside, just puts them at risk and limits their capabilities, was he gonna operate in a burning building, no.

"Cleaing out the Plane"? I don't think so, If the victims were confirmed dead, the Law enforcement and Mortuary affairs people would and should document where the bodies were found, take pictures, sketches, take GPS coordinates and then remove the remains ICW the ME's office and First Responders. Plus, if the fuselage was intact (I don't know, wasn't there) It would have been crawling with FEDs collecting evidence. I attended a lecture on the incident, the Pentagon was identified as a crime scene early on, so I would expect some documents exist on where the bodies were found. It may not be available to the public, but maybe a FOIA request. From what I was told the Pentagon Police, FBI and Fire/Rescue started working together rather quickly and Incident Command transitioned between the agencies as they moved from Fire Suppression and Rescue to Crime Scene investigation.

This guy might have been there, but his story spikes the BS meter. I again recommend talking to LE if he is trying to get money from someone or beat a charge based on this story.

The PTSD claims are often put through a good bit of scrutiny as to their veracity. Meticulous records are kept. The penalty for lying is significant.

A search of the death certificates should prove or disprove the claim made of signing them.

And as a P.S. wouldn’t the Medical Investigator be more likely to have signed the death certificates than a doctor especially when this was a homicide/unattended death?

From my limited experience in one state as an EMT forty years ago while a doctor could pronounce a person deceased anywhere in the state if that death was a homicide, suicide or not under a doctor’s care and unexpected the deceased was sent to the state’s Office Of Medical Investigator for examination, autopsy (if deemed necessary) and final determination of cause and then the certificate was signed by the investigator.

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that he would be allowed to crawl through the Pentagon and the plane with no training.

Just from a resource management POV, if I had a medical doctor, I would not waste having him go look for victims; the better strategy is to have him at a place have have others bring people who need medical attention to him.

That sounds like someone who was never on scene in the capacity he said he had.

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to manipulate elderly family members for financial gain.

Since the other stuff can be so hard to get official documentation, I'd go at this guy from another direction, "to manipulate elderly family members for financial gain". You may be able to find local law enforcement that could either help or point you in the direction of someone or agency that could help.

Thank you BB61 for stepping in to protect the elderly.

May I suggest that the banks or other financial institutions be alerted that potential fraudulent, coerced, or misguided attempts be made, to RED FLAG those attempts and to require further verification in person?

I hope that the perpetrator, should he be investigated, will cease from seeking ill-gotten gain.

For investigatory purposes, should his mobile cellular phone number be available for that chaotic month, phone company records could triangulate his locations during this period of time to show if his phone was in the Pentagon. Granted, that zone is probably a secret zone, but if the phone company showed it to be in Las Vegas, or at the hospital in Baltimore (wherever he was a resident) that would help show fraud.

If he was a resident, and was on rounds at a hospital, those records might be available, as well as his resident schedule. Should that hospital show he made grand rounds on a particular day (9/11-9/18) this would also show fraud.

Try this:

Pentagon 9/11 report

Just looking at the report, his story seems like complete bullshit. Now he may have been there, and maybe told/tells a different story in his head about what happened, but that is just me trying/hoping to find something nice about this guy.

Sounds like total BS.

He 'unbuckled children from their seats and crawled through the aircraft?' I doubt there were ANY complete bodies left. Biggest single piece of wreckage I saw photos of was the landing gear. The fuselage would have been obliterated.

Also, I am Darn sure he wasn't the ONLY doctor there. I saw pictures of 4-star generals and high civilian officials helping poke through the wreckage and doing first aid - no freaking way he was doing ANYTHING by himself.

Dude sounds like a Marvel superhero, with such ridiculously inflated claims. If he REALLY did all that by himself, he would have been the subject of tv specials, magazine and online articles, and much more.

Thanks for all the replies. Some very good ideas for me. Still hoping to see if there is some report detailing all those who assisted. That would be extraordinarily helpful.

Thanks again.

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Originally posted by BB61:
Thanks for all the replies. Some very good ideas for me. Still hoping to see if there is some report detailing all those who assisted. That would be extraordinarily helpful.

Thanks again.

I'm not an expert on the Pentagon site, but based on what I saw at Ground Zero, you won't find a complete official list. Too many self dispatched first responders, bystanders, tradesmen, volunteers, etc. Maybe there is a registry, for medical surveillance, but that would have been self sign up.

For official documents, I'd look for the death certificates he supposedly signed as there was only 184 people killed at the Pentagon. That or his alleged medals.

One of the other poster's spouses was at the Pentagon, maybe she can tell us more about personnel accountability or lack there of at the Pentagon. They may have run tighter site access logs given the nature of the building and they may have kept crime scene logs.

Mental issues that people claim to have befuddle me. How can you know if what someone says is true? But, I wonder if there is a way to reach the truth that does not involve refuting the Pentagon 9/11 claims.

If he seeks money or treatment for PTSD, would there be a way to certify medically that he does not have PTSD? Arrested murderers claim insanity, for example, and there are ways to expertly diagnose and refute such claims.

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Originally posted by 4MUL8R:
Mental issues that people claim to have befuddle me. How can you know if what someone says is true? But, I wonder if there is a way to reach the truth that does not involve refuting the Pentagon 9/11 claims.

If he seeks money or treatment for PTSD, would there be a way to certify medically that he does not have PTSD? Arrested murderers claim insanity, for example, and there are ways to expertly diagnose and refute such claims.

Some info from the VA on PTSD and the screening process:
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