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My beloved employer which has done business at this location since 1938 is a cog in the wheel of a Fortune 500 company with yearly profits of hundreds of billions of dollars. For about 20 years, until 1984, we had a plastics department in an area of 40' x 80'. Until 2000 or so it was a fork lift repair area. The size of a pole barn with openings on each end to act as a passage way to other sections of the 300,000 sq. ft. plant. Standard procedure during the time of the plastics dept. operation was to use a sludge gun and 55 gallon drums of Trichloroethylene to clean the machines. Usually it would take 2 drums of solvent per cleaning and they would be cleaned at least once a year. You can see that this adds up fast to a couple thousand gallons. It was all left to drain through the floor which was heavily cracked and settled. If you spilled or dumped a couple thousand gallons of this in your pole barn, would you still feel safe working in it? Did I mention the place is rampant with cancer? | ||
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That’s a good question. We used it in the Navy to clean generators and other electrical components. As I recall, we’d get a bit ‘ringie’ after a while. Mike I'm sorry if I hurt you feelings when I called you stupid - I thought you already knew - Unknown ................................... When you have no future, you live in the past. " Sycamore Row" by John Grisham | |||
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Raptorman |
It's like this, I blew the whistle on CRCT cheating within the school district where I worked and now I can never teach again. Nobody would even dare hire me in the education field or government agency. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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| Unapologetic Old School Curmudgeon  |
No I would not feel safe at all. That is some nasty stuff, even mild exposure is not good. Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day | |||
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| The Constable |
Used it for years in Army Aviation to clean parts as well as our hands! Every crew chief had a can in his helmet bag, should you have to take an oil samples, etc. I often wondered about my exposure but closing in on 70 yoa and no cancer yet. | |||
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Used it for cutting fluid also. Great stuff on tool steel. Well.. the Grand-babies aren't funny looking or stupid so maybe I've lucked out for now. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
It has alcohol-like effects on the nervous system. It can be acutely toxic. I don't know how persistent it is or if it is carcinogenic. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Ammoholic |
Isn’t that the stuff that the Nacy used to have in shipboard fire extinguishers and they had problems because the sailors would use a bit now and then to clean their uniforms? | |||
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In High School I worked at a car dealership. When I had to clean car interiors, I would have a rag soaked with Trichloroethylene. It was great dry cleaning fluid, and got you high as shit if you didn't leave the doors open.  | |||
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Not really from Vienna |
I’d guess you’ve probably already familiarized yourself with the MSDS for that stuff, but here’s a link to it anyway. http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927305 A safety man I knew had this to say about chemical products: “If you can smell it, it’s killin’ ya.” | |||
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https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=430&tid=76
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What a cheap ass company. They make hundreds of billions, and dump that fantastically dangerous material into the ground and ground water. I hope they have to pay clean up some day, plus a fine for leaking into the water table. I have worked with it, put my hands in it when I was young and stupid. If you are going to work in that area, try to take a soil sample and determine how much will work it's way into the air. -c1steve | |||
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IIRC, TCE was one of the specific chemicals that got WR Grace in trouble up in Woburn, MA, back in the day. Someone reference “A Civil Action” (book, not movie) for details. -Rob I predict that there will be many suggestions and statements about the law made here, and some of them will be spectacularly wrong. - jhe888 A=A | |||
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Stangosaurus Rex |
Back in the day we used it extensively on our close in weapons systems for evrything from cleaning M61A1 parts to cooling down circuit cards to washing our hands, I guess I drank enough green tea to compensate. I could not imagine barrels of the stuff! ___________________________ "I Get It Now" Beth Greene | |||
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| Unapologetic Old School Curmudgeon |
Used it for lots of pipe cutting and threading and running taps through holes. Always hated the smell. Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day | |||
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Festina Lente |
Big problem. 200 parts per billion drinking water limit. Degrades to 1,1-DCE which has a 7 part per billion drinking water limit. Uses a stabilizer called 1,4-dioxane, which has a 0.46 part per billion drinking water limit. So - don’t drink water from the work site. Both 1,1,1-TCA and 1,1-DCE transfer from groundwater and soil gas to indoor air - another route of exposure. One PPB is like one drop into a swimming pool. Doesn’t take much to impact a large volume of water. A couple thousand gallons of solvent into the group will easily put it onto the list of “Superfund” Sites (or, as a single party owned site, onto the RCRA Corrective Measures program. NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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| Festina Lente |
I manage that site (Wells G&H) - still can’t drink the water there. NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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Republican in training |
On one hand I'm like, "what in the f is going on here...?" - and the other hand I'm like "...hey THIS is exactly why I love hanging out here. -------------------- I like Sigs and HK's, and maybe Glocks | |||
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How does one report this and how does any agency get access to private property drill or test? It would most likely close the place and put many employees out of work. | |||
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| Festina Lente |
E-mail me. Address in profile. Let’s discuss off line NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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