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Originally posted by SigSentry:
I'd probably spray it directly into my mouth like cheesewiz.

Thread drift; We do popcorn in bacon grease.

Lard has gotten a bad rap for years.
And like most fats, if you're using it at the correct temperatures, very little of it ends up in your finished product.

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Originally posted by SigSentry:
I'd probably spray it directly into my mouth like cheesewiz.

Now THAT'S fuggin funny right there, I don't care who you are!

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Originally posted by ulsterman:
Thread drift; We do popcorn in bacon grease.

Try Coconut oil.

You should not listen to anything Dr. Mercola says. I'm just going to leave it at that, and not use my typical descriptors for those who are repeatedly wanred for making false claims, such as a produce he sells can "help to virtually eliminate your risk of developing cancer in the future." ???

"In 2005, the FDA ordered Mercola and his Optimal Wellness Center to stop making illegal claims for products sold through his Web site.

The claims to which the FDA objected involved three products:

Living Fuel Rx, claimed to offer an "exceptional countermeasure" against cancer, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, autoimmune diseases, etc.
Tropical Traditions Virgin Coconut Oil, claimed to reduce the risk of heart disease and has beneficial effects against Crohn's disease, irritable bowel syndrome, and many infectious agents
Chlorella, claimed to fight cancer and normalize blood pressure.

Then, "in 2006, the FDA sent Mercola and his center a second warning that was based on product labels collected during an inspection at his facility and on claims made on the Optimum Wellness Center Web site. This time the claims to which the FDA objected involve four products:

Vibrant Health Research Chlorella XP, claimed to "help to virtually eliminate your risk of developing cancer in the future."
Fresh Shores Extra Virgin Coconut Oil, claimed to reduce the risk of heart disease, cancer, and degenerative diseases.
Momentum Health Products Vitamin K2, possibly useful in treating certain kinds of cancer and Alzheimer's disease.
Momentum Health Products Cardio Essentials Nattokinase NSK-SD, claimed to be "a much safer and effective option than aspirin and other pharmaceutical agents to treating heart disease."

The warning letters explained that the use of such claims in the marketing of these products violates the Federal Food Drug and Cosmetic Act, which bans unapproved claims for products that are intended for curing, mitigating, treating, or preventing of diseases. (Intended use can be established through product labels, catalogs, brochures, tapes, Web sites, or other circumstances surrounding the distribution of the product.)

In 2011, the FDA ordered Mercola to stop making claims for thermography that go beyond what the equipment he uses (Medtherm2000 infrared camera) was cleared for. The warning letter said that statements on Mercola's site improperly imply that the Meditherm camera can be used alone to diagnose or screen for various diseases or conditions associated with the breast, they also represent that the sensitivity of the Meditherm Med2000 Telethermographic camera is greater than that of machines used in mammography. The statements to which the FDA objected included:

"Revolutionary and Safe Diagnostic Tool Detects Hidden Inflammation: Thermography"
"The Newest Safe Cancer Screening Tool"
"[b]ecause measuring inflammation through thermal imaging is a proactive, preventative method you can use for detecting disease, which significantly improves your chances for longevity and good health."
Additionally, thermograms provide: "Reliable and accurate information for diagnosis, treatment, and prognosis. . ."
"Yes, it's true. Thermograms provide you with early diagnosis and treatment assistance in such problems as cancer, inflammatory processes, neurological and vascular dysfunction, and musculoskeletal injury."
Thermography can benefit patients by detecting conditions including: Arthritis: "[d]ifferentiate between osteoarthritis and more severe forms like rheumatoid." Immune Dysfunction, Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue, "Digestive Disorders: Irritable bowel syndrome, diverticulitis, and Crohn's disease . . ." and "Other Conditions: including bursitis, herniated discs, ligament or muscle tear, lupus, nerve problems, whiplash, stroke screening, cancer and many, many others."

Just Google him and the article from I cut and pasted this will pop up.

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Originally posted by TAllen01:
You should not listen to anything Dr. Mercola says. I'm just going to leave it at that, and not use my typical descriptors for those who are repeatedly wanred for making false claims, such as a produce he sells can "help to virtually eliminate your risk of developing cancer in the future." ???

"In 2005, the FDA ordered Mercola and his Optimal Wellness Center to stop making illegal claims for products sold through his Web site.

I honestly don't have a dog in this fight but I think my viewpoint is also worth throwing in the mix for consideration.

First off, I know your heart and intentions are in the right place. I also believe the FDA does an important function in making sure someone doesn't bottle some water, throw in some vodka, coloring, and some flavoring and market it to cure cancer, eczema, lumbago, and all sorts of deseases.

I've worked for about 30 years in various medical device and pharmaceutical industries with on market products and clinical studies product.

To allow "medical" claims on labels or marketing material, a company has to go through several phases of clinical trial studies. Very expensive and protracted studies. You need to find doctors to run these trials and there's a stiff competition among the established drug companies for these doctors. Then you have to find the patients willing to be part of the studies. You also have to convince Key Opinion Leaders who are experts regarding the efficacy of your product.

If the FDA was around during the times of scurvy, they wouldn't allow lemons to be sold under the claim that it is good for prevention and treatment of scurvy. A good number of medicine have been from natural ingredients. Medical breakthroughs have been based on isolating and identifying molecular chains active in plant or animal matter.

If the new product does get pass through the clinical trials, then it has to start out as a prescription drug before it can become over the counter. And you once again have to convince doctors to prescribe your product instead of the product they have been used to prescribing for the ailment.

It's an expensively high bar for any product to be able to make medical claims. This impediment against new products or new medical companies is not without the support of the established drug companies; they don't want competition.

The criticism against this good intention is that even for products backed by the resources of a medical company, it takes them a long time to be available in the US market if it ever makes it at all.

Often, internet groups of lay person involved with a particular malady will share and have more information on the latest developments around the world. And they learn of viable alternatives and new products/procedures in other parts of the world such as Australia, Englad, Brazil, etc.

Companies do have to walk a very thin line so as not to violate making medical claims. And while the laws do work to minimize fake elixers that don't work, they also work to prevent actual viable alternatives from being widely known simply because the hoops haven't been jumped through.

Nothing wrong at all with cooking with olive oil. Don't know where Dr. Mercola is coming from really. Sometimes we mix it with quality butter for taste reasons. Then there's always bacon grease as an alternative. If we need to use high temps where the olive oil can't go, avocado oil has been the ticket. As for coconut oil, that's for popcorn in this household.

The FDA needs reforming and get rid of the revolving doors. The drug companies would push nutritional supplements if they could patent them.

There is lots of information in the Medical Journals that never sees public light.

Dr Mercola takes the information from research reports and develops products for different aliments.

One of his biggest contributions is sponsoring the Dr. Karen Becker Vet website where health information is posted for dogs and cats. He also has free reports on his website:

http://www.mercola.com/Downloa...nus/free-reports.htm

The use of Vitamin D3 alone would have a big impact on peoples health and reduce the health care costs.

And from my hero...Dr. William Faloon:

Millions of needless deaths:

http://www.lifeextension.com/M...dless-Deaths/Page-01

Startling Findings About Vitamin D Levels in Life Extension® Members:

http://www.lifeextension.com/M...sion-Members/Page-01

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Originally posted by 41:
And from my hero...Dr. William Faloon:

Millions of needless deaths:

http://www.lifeextension.com/M...dless-Deaths/Page-01

Almost every reference in this article is to a study indicating that people with low vitamin D levels have higher incidences of various health problems.

That article takes those references and assumes that giving the low-vitamin-D cohort more vitamin D will eliminate those higher incidences.

That conclusion DOES NOT FOLLOW from the evidence in the references (and, in fact, the references DO NOT make that conclusion). It is based on the fallacy that correlation implies causation - that is, the assumption that because two trends look similar, one has to cause the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..._not_imply_causation

People with high vitamin D levels might have lower risks for certain conditions because of some other factor(s) that both raise vitamin D levels and lower risks for those conditions.

People who take vitamin D might have lower risks for certain conditions because the types of people who take vitamin D have lower risks for those conditions. Perhaps those who take vitamin D are more likely to be health-conscious than those who don't (that certainly seems reasonable), and so they eat healthier and get more exercise, which lowers risk of certain health problems.



That's a 99.79% correlation. It doesn't get much better than that.

Should we spend less on science, space, and technology so that we have fewer suicides by hanging, strangulation, and suffocation?

Or should we make more people kill themselves by hanging, strangulation, and suffocation so that we'll spend more on science, space, and technology?

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Originally posted by 41:

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Originally posted by ulsterman:
Thread drift; We do popcorn in bacon grease.

Try Coconut oil.

Sorry, like bacon grease.

Have you been hanging around with Phil Robertson?

Maladat...you can believe what ever you want. I take vitamin D3 and have my blood tested yearly. I haven't had the flu since the early 90's when I used Sambucol when I felt like I was coming down with something. I didn't learn about vitamin D3 until the mid 90's.

There are many studies that show that the further you get from the equator, the incident of cancer rises.

Duck Fat is bad for your health..





Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xZKHX91z9I

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Originally posted by 41:
Maladat...you can believe what ever you want. I take vitamin D3 and have my blood tested yearly. I haven't had the flu since the early 90's when I used Sambucol when I felt like I was coming down with something. I didn't learn about vitamin D3 until the mid 90's.

Sample sizes of 1 don't mean anything. I haven't had the flu since the 90s either, and I don't take vitamin D or multivitamins.

My not taking vitamins and not getting the flu doesn't mean not taking vitamins prevents the flu, and your taking vitamins and not getting the flu doesn't mean taking vitamins prevents the flu.

I'm willing to accept that certain supplements may have some positive health benefits, but Dr. Mercola makes really absurd claims that go way beyond that.

I honestly don't have a dog in this fight but I think my viewpoint is also worth throwing in the mix for consideration.

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I agree, and like your response. It is nice, reasoned analysis and conclusion from someone with no dog in this fight. Like mine; we can have different viewpoints and still treat other cordially.

Crtiical point to me, however: You know who DOES have a dog in this fight? Some guy who is literally trying to make money off desperate people who are willing to try anything to beat their cancer (or heart ailments, etc.)

That's why I am a skeptic (and because I beleive in double-blind studies and science, as I am sure you do too).

Thnaks for your viewpoint, and I understand completely where you are coming from.

So...about that duck fat....

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
So...about that duck fat....

Hmm...

One funny thing about duck fat, normally when you think about cooking in fat you think about deep frying or pan frying or sautéing, something you do hot and fast.

One of the few exceptions I can think of is duck confit - you cook the duck legs and thighs completely submerged in rendered duck fat at a low temperature for hours.

The other exception that comes to mind is the way Greeks cook some vegetables. You do something like a pound of green beans, a couple of diced tomatoes, a diced onion, and a half cup or more of olive oil and cook it at a low temperature until the beans are all shriveled up and almost caramelized (an hour or two).

Back in the 80's I had a friend in New Orleans who managed several Wendy's. As we were discussing the finer points of french fries, he made the comment that cooking fries in lard tastes better than any other oil out there, but cooking fries in lard is the least healthy way to cook them.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
So...about that duck fat....

Just what I needed...another thing to buy at Amazon.

Thanks for the info!