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Auto Detailing 101 - Back to the old ways

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May 22, 2019, 11:22 PM
bigdeal
Auto Detailing 101 - Back to the old ways
After almost six months I finally made time late today to wash and wax my truck. It was way overdue. Anyway, after a good wash, some paint correction, and a good sealant coat, I stepped back and thought "I've got some more time and I can do even better". So I rummaged through my detailer's cabinet and finally found an old can of P21S pure carnuba wax. So on went a coat of carnuba over the Wolfgang sealant I always use. Once it set up and was buffed off, all I can say is WOW! Carnuba offers very little protection, but man did I forget just how much pop it adds to the finish. It will likely be gone in a week or two, but for the time being, the shine is incredible. And the pic below is of the hood of my 2001 Ford F150 daily driver with right at 150k miles on the odometer.




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May 22, 2019, 11:29 PM
David Lee
Nice. I washed my Sig Forum Sienna today with a wash made by Armor All which has carnuba wax in it. It came out way nicer than the local Automatic car wash. I havn't hand washed a vehicle in years so it was both work and fun.
May 23, 2019, 12:01 AM
Bassamatic
I've been using the new Meguiars ceramic wax. Super easy and works and looks great.



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May 23, 2019, 12:26 AM
Sigmanic
Is that a hood or a reflection pool? Wink
May 23, 2019, 12:26 AM
bigdeal
quote:
Originally posted by Bassamatic:
I've been using the new Meguiars ceramic wax. Super easy and works and looks great.
You can even layer carnuba over fully cured ceramic and it will up the wow factor big time, at least for a while. Because I really don't use it much anymore, I had all but forgotten just how much 'pop' carnuba adds to the surface.


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Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter
May 23, 2019, 12:52 AM
nasig
quote:
And the pic below is of the hood of my 2001 Ford F150 daily driver with right at 150k miles on the odometer.

awesome
May 23, 2019, 06:17 AM
Bassamatic
quote:
Originally posted by bigdeal:
You can even layer carnuba over fully cured ceramic and it will up the wow factor big time, at least for a while. Because I really don't use it much anymore, I had all but forgotten just how much 'pop' carnuba adds to the surface.


Had not thought about that. I'll give it a try.



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May 23, 2019, 06:24 AM
rsbolo
Looks awesome! Buffing off carnauba is really gratifying.


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May 23, 2019, 06:26 AM
ChicagoSigMan
I bought some of the Chemical Guys Butter Wet Wax. It's easy to apply and buff but I can't tell if it does anything special for the paint. And it's a good deal of work to have to do every couple of weeks.
May 23, 2019, 07:50 AM
chellim1
Looks great, bigdeal.

So... a question for you:
I've got a 2008 4Runner (turned on to them by the Forum, of course) with 133,000 miles. It's a former wreck I bought from the auction. But it has a new door and a few other things and it's been repainted on the driver's side. It's just been washed once or twice with Meguires Gold since it's been repainted. Is there anything I should put on the paint? Maybe that Wolfgang sealant you mention?



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May 23, 2019, 07:58 AM
Gene Hillman
quote:
Originally posted by chellim1:
Looks great, bigdeal.

So... a question for you:
I've got a 2008 4Runner (turned on to them by the Forum, of course) with 133,000 miles. It's a former wreck I bought from the auction. But it has a new door and a few other things and it's been repainted on the driver's side. It's just been washed once or twice with Meguires Gold since it's been repainted. Is there anything I should put on the paint? Maybe that Wolfgang sealant you mention?


How long ago was it repainted?
May 23, 2019, 08:08 AM
RogueJSK
quote:
Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
I bought some of the Chemical Guys Butter Wet Wax. It's easy to apply and buff but I can't tell if it does anything special for the paint. And it's a good deal of work to have to do every couple of weeks.


That's why I use a spray wax, like Lucas Slick Mist or Mother's California Gold. Spray it on a still-wet car, then wipe it off while you dry at the same time.

Lasts nearly as long as most traditional cream/paste waxes where you have to dry the car, then apply the wax, then buff it off. And looks nearly as good.

So it's less effort to apply, for similar results in durability and appearance.

But I'm not an obsessive car detailer. I'm happy with decent results from minor to moderate effort. Everything past a good hand wash and spray wax/dry seems like it is incrementally better appearance for exponentially more work.
May 23, 2019, 08:10 AM
chellim1
quote:
How long ago was it repainted?

About 3 months ago.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
May 23, 2019, 01:10 PM
bigdeal
quote:
Originally posted by chellim1:
Looks great, bigdeal.

So... a question for you:
I've got a 2008 4Runner (turned on to them by the Forum, of course) with 133,000 miles. It's a former wreck I bought from the auction. But it has a new door and a few other things and it's been repainted on the driver's side. It's just been washed once or twice with Meguires Gold since it's been repainted. Is there anything I should put on the paint? Maybe that Wolfgang sealant you mention?
Probably be a good idea to just try and keep the paint clean for a while longer to allow the paint to fully harden. At five or six months, wash, paint correct the entire vehicle, and then cover it in a coat of Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant. You should get about six plus months of protection out of the sealant during the summer.


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May 23, 2019, 01:12 PM
bigdeal
quote:
Originally posted by RogueJSK:
quote:
Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
I bought some of the Chemical Guys Butter Wet Wax. It's easy to apply and buff but I can't tell if it does anything special for the paint. And it's a good deal of work to have to do every couple of weeks.


That's why I use a spray wax, like Lucas Slick Mist or Mother's California Gold. Spray it on a still-wet car, then wipe it off while you dry at the same time.

Lasts nearly as long as most traditional cream/paste waxes where you have to dry the car, then apply the wax, then buff it off. And looks nearly as good.

So it's less effort to apply, for similar results in durability and appearance.

But I'm not an obsessive car detailer. I'm happy with decent results from minor to moderate effort. Everything past a good hand wash and spray wax/dry seems like it is incrementally better appearance for exponentially more work.
Since you prefer an 'easy' option, try this product sometime. Works great and is super easy. And the price is right.

https://www.autogeek.net/wg5500.html


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Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter
May 23, 2019, 03:12 PM
jhe888
Carnuba has a look that poly waxes don't have. I wouldn't even say it is "pop," but it is a softer yet deeper shine.

I kind of like the glassy shine that poly has, but carnuba does look good. It just doesn't last long enough to be worth the effort for me.




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May 23, 2019, 03:28 PM
08 Cayenne
I've used nothing but Zymol Concours for about 15 years now.
May 23, 2019, 04:38 PM
bald1
quote:
Originally posted by bigdeal:
found an old can of P21S pure carnuba wax. So on went a coat of carnuba over the Wolfgang sealant I always use. Once it set up and was buffed off, all I can say is WOW! Carnuba offers very little protection, but man did I forget just how much pop it adds to the finish.


I'm a fan of P21S / S100 (same things) as well. Here's my inventory:
-- P21S Concours Caranuba Wax; Paintwork Cleanser
-- S100 Concours Caranuba Wax; Paintwork Cleanser; Gel Wheel Cleaner
-- Klasse All-In-One; Sealant Glaze
-- Meguiars #34 Final Inspection; Gold Class wheel cleaner
-- 303 Aerospace Protectant; Wiper Treatment
-- Lexol Cleaner; Conditioner; foam application pads
-- Protect-All Quick n Easy Wash
-- Mothers Mag/Aluminum Polish
-- Turtle Wax Bug & Tar Remover
-- Stoner Invisible Glass
-- Rain-X
-- Clay Magic 100gm claybar; ClayLube



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May 23, 2019, 05:06 PM
bigdeal
quote:
Originally posted by jhe888:
It just doesn't last long enough to be worth the effort for me.
Luckily, when you have a good cured sealant on the surface first, the carnuba sets up quickly and buffs off pretty easy. Carnuba on the actual paint/clear coat surface can be a bit tedious to remove.


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Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter