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US Justice Department sues Yale over 'applicant discrimination'

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October 09, 2020, 06:11 AM
Pipe Smoker
US Justice Department sues Yale over 'applicant discrimination'
Glad to see this.

“The US Justice Department has sued Yale University over alleged discrimination against white and Asian American applicants after it accused the university of 'racially balancing' its classes.

It comes about two months after the Justice Department publicly accused Yale of discrimination following a two year investigation, saying it was in violation of federal civil rights law.

Filed in US federal court in Connecticut, the lawsuit alleges Yale 'discriminates based on race and national origin in its undergraduate admissions process, and that race is the determinative factor in hundreds of admissions decisions each year'…”

https://mol.im/a/8822829



Serious about crackers.
October 09, 2020, 06:25 AM
kramden
We need to bulldoze the whole education system.
October 09, 2020, 06:45 AM
Rinehart
That was long overdue-
October 09, 2020, 08:02 AM
9mm_shooter
Let's hope it will lead to banning any grants, financial aid or funding of research at that institution until such time they fix the problem.
October 09, 2020, 08:16 AM
Beancooker
I would hope that from here on, the names are removed from an application and the reviewing body only sees a number. There is no telling who has applied. They are then forced to select only the best of the best.



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October 09, 2020, 09:00 AM
snoris
One of the highest educational institutions in the country has gone from providing equal opportunity for those who strive for excellence to promising equal results to those who are incapable of excellence.
October 09, 2020, 09:36 AM
corsair
No more Federal money. No more grants, no more contracts, no more gov assistant, no more.
October 09, 2020, 09:53 AM
a1abdj
quote:
No more Federal money. No more grants, no more contracts, no more gov assistant, no more.



I still don't understand why these schools get any of that to begin with. They have more than enough money.

Yale's endowment fund is currently at $31,200,000,000. That's right. $31.2 BILLION dollars. Why do they need money from tax payers?


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October 09, 2020, 04:43 PM
joel9507
quote:
Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
violation of federal civil rights law

Whites and Asians have civil rights...who knew? Wink
October 09, 2020, 04:54 PM
DaveL
quote:
Originally posted by a1abdj:
quote:
No more Federal money. No more grants, no more contracts, no more gov assistant, no more.



I still don't understand why these schools get any of that to begin with. They have more than enough money.

Yale's endowment fund is currently at $31,200,000,000. That's right. $31.2 BILLION dollars. Why do they need money from tax payers?


One of the government’s favorite tricks is to take money from people through taxes and then give it back to them with strings attached. It lets them influence policy in a lot of ways they ordinarily couldn’t. Education is a great example of this - our federal government has a department of education despite the fact that it doesn’t educate anyone. It just uses money to influence how others do.
October 09, 2020, 05:35 PM
Scoutmaster
quote:
Originally posted by snoris:
One of the highest educational institutions in the country has gone from providing equal opportunity for those who strive for excellence to promising equal results to those who are incapable of excellence.


I might suggest wording ala those who maybe be incapable, or who are unwilling to do the work to succeed.

Some years ago there was an article in the WSJ re an upscale public high school in Silicon Valley, the white parents were putting their kids in private schools as the Asians in the school were making things too "hard".




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October 09, 2020, 05:42 PM
Icabod
Seems all these virtue signaling confessions may result in a school getting a closer look.

“ THE WHITE HOUSE HAS opened an investigation into Princeton University, accusing it of civil rights violations after its president admitted racism exists at the school.

Earlier this month, Princeton President Christopher Eisgruber published a letter to the university community in which he acknowledged that the university has and continues to be shaped by systemic racism.

“Racism and the damage it does to people of color nevertheless persist at Princeton as in our society, sometimes by conscious intention but more often through unexamined assumptions and stereotypes, ignorance or insensitivity, and the systemic legacy of past decisions and policies," he wrote, underscoring also that for most of Princeton's history, the university "intentionally and systematically excluded people of color, women, Jews, and other minorities."

"Racist assumptions from the past also remain embedded in structures of the University itself," he added, noting that, for example, Princeton has at least nine departments and programs organized around European languages and culture, but only a single, relatively small program in African studies.

“You admitted Princeton's educational program is and for decades has been racist," Robert King, assistant secretary of the Education Department's Office of Postsecondary Education, wrote in a letter to university officials earlier this week. "The serious, even shocking nature of Princeton's admissions compel the Department to move with all appropriate speed."


https://www.usnews.com/news/ed...s-to-systemic-racism



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October 10, 2020, 07:00 AM
DennisM
quote:
Originally posted by Icabod:
Seems all these virtue signaling confessions may result in a school getting a closer look.


Entertaining, isn't it? The leftists look back with nostalgia at the "self criticism" and "struggle sessions" in China and the USSR where good little commies got to stand up and confess their doctrinal lapses. Doesn't translate to our system in quite the same way, apparently.

I especially like the DOJ's explanation. "What? We're only taking you at your word that you're racist and discriminatory... oh, I'm sorry, did you not really mean it?"
October 10, 2020, 09:36 PM
Aquabird
They could probably do that to most colleges.
I am not defending Yale, but do know that both Mich and OSU do the same exact thing.


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October 10, 2020, 10:32 PM
Scoutmaster
quote:
Originally posted by Aquabird:
They could probably do that to most colleges.
I am not defending Yale, but do know that both Mich and OSU do the same exact thing.


And 99.9% of colleges in CA (I am giving them the benefit of the doubt). And not only for acceptance as a student, but also in employment.




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October 11, 2020, 08:40 AM
.38supersig
Data on the 2017 and 2018 applicant pools released by Yale to the DOJ show the admissions chances of students of similar academic achievement vary wildly based on race. Black applicants above the second decile of academic skill are consistently five to eight times more likely to be admitted compared with their Asian counterparts.



October 11, 2020, 01:38 PM
Lefty Sig
Really, Asians need an advocate and public personality to sue many institutions for equal treatment under the law. That Yang guy that ran for President might be able to.

I have spent a lot of time in Asia for my job - China, South Korea, Japan, (order of frequency) and my step mother is from the Philippines so I am somewhat familiar with the cultures and local communities in the U.S.

Many Asian immigrants have come to the U.S. with nothing, not even the ability to speak English, worked menial jobs to get a foothold, and then eventually started businesses. Koreans and their grocery markets, Chinese and Thai with restaurants, Vietnamese with Nail Shops, and others. They ensure their kids go to school and get a good eduction and push them to go into professional careers that pay well. Part of this is for the parents to ensure they will be provided for during their retirement, but mostly it's about culture and pride.

Given the treatment of Chinese railroad workers in the mid 1800's (expendable to say it mildly) the immigration acts of 1924 and 1928 which specifically targeted Asian immigration and established quotas favoring European countries, the internment camps during WWII, and general anti-Japanese, anti-Korean, and anti-Vietnamese sentiment after the wars, they have prospered in the U.S. - it's not like Asians have not faced significant racism and discrimination. Yet they generally perform better in school and earn more income than "native born" Americans. And Asian kids don't all go to nice schools in the suburbs, poor immigrants send their kids to whatever public school is available, or save and sacrifice for private school if necessary.

And now they are discriminated against in academics for being "too smart". Harvard skirted the issue by having a "subjective" measure of personality for admission which consistently downgraded Asians, even though the evaluator often never actually met the applicant.

I really don't care what race anyone is. If the "best" schools are 90% Asian because that's who is most qualified on all objective measures, so be it. Let everyone else compete.

To contrast the performance of Asian immigrants that overcame their lack of English skills to succeed and ensure their children's success, with native born Americans who have spoken the language (well, you know) for hundreds of years and continually blame "racism" is very telling. You don't hear a whole lot of sympathy other than "get a job and work hard and go to school and work hard...."
October 11, 2020, 05:04 PM
Edmond
And yet Asians mostly vote democRAT.


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October 11, 2020, 06:08 PM
Vgex
Every single applicant should list their race/gender as black/female to ruin the filters used by academia.
October 11, 2020, 06:11 PM
Lefty Sig
quote:
Originally posted by Edmond:
And yet Asians mostly vote democRAT.


Most of the Asians I know, especially those who escaped communist takeovers, are starting to see the light. Trump's anti-Chinese statements aren't helping him among Chinese that see their "motherland" favorably, but then if they see the CCP favorably, they are OK with communism, so....

Also factor in that the some of the largest Asian populations in the US are in California, NYC, and Texas, and you get group think from those areas.