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What are the chances the "Reconciliation Bill" will pass?

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November 06, 2021, 03:07 PM
Karpteach
What are the chances the "Reconciliation Bill" will pass?
I can’t believe it passed. The RINO’s from NY should have seen how the recent vote in NY went. Everywhere but the cities went HARD red. NY has NEVER seen such a Red Wave. God help this nation.
November 06, 2021, 04:15 PM
bigdeal
quote:
Originally posted by mbinky:
Remember the left also has a hard deadline of 3 December to raise the debt limit which they will also have to do by reconciliation. And if McConnel sticks to his word they will have to do it alone.
Now that gave me a good laugh. McConnell sticking to his word. That's a good one. There were three large issues the Dem's needed to pass: debt ceiling increase, infrastructure, and BBB. Reconciliation can only be used twice per year. So instead of McConnell making the filth choose the debt ceiling and one of the other bills, he offered them an opportunity to get all three passed. If the Dem's choose to, they can now pass the BBB bill 'and' the debt ceiling increase through reconciliation without any Repub help. Thanks to Mitch, we got screwed again. It's either stupidity or cowardice (or both) that drives these Repub's, but the end result is always the same...we get bent over.


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November 06, 2021, 08:44 PM
nhtagmember
I stand by my characterization of them being gutless traitors

and thats the nicest thing I can say about them
November 07, 2021, 02:51 PM
jtedescucci
There's a 100% chance that they WILL pass something; and about a 1000% chance that what they pass will be detrimental to our personal rights AND Our Country and The Constitution. After all, it IS the democrat party we're talking about here. And BTW, for all you "Never Trumpers": Don't you just wish you could go back & cheat more in the election?... And do more damage to the country than you have already done?


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November 07, 2021, 03:51 PM
Broadside
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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
The late 70's were a mess. Ronald Regan and Paul Volcker had the courage and strength to deliberately raise interest rates and cause a recession (yes, cause) to get inflation under control.


I'm glad you brought this up. These two spending bills are going to dump money into the economy at a time when supply is constrained. The effect will be inflation we haven't seen since the 1970's.

For a Democrat President, Sleepy Joe is already in dangerous territory with an approval rating stuck around 45%. If prices on food and gas continue to rise his approval rating will fall below 40% and you can write-off the Democrats in the mid-terms.
November 07, 2021, 04:03 PM
jljones
quote:
Originally posted by bigdeal:
quote:
Originally posted by mbinky:
Remember the left also has a hard deadline of 3 December to raise the debt limit which they will also have to do by reconciliation. And if McConnel sticks to his word they will have to do it alone.
Now that gave me a good laugh. McConnell sticking to his word. That's a good one. There were three large issues the Dem's needed to pass: debt ceiling increase, infrastructure, and BBB. Reconciliation can only be used twice per year. So instead of McConnell making the filth choose the debt ceiling and one of the other bills, he offered them an opportunity to get all three passed. If the Dem's choose to, they can now pass the BBB bill 'and' the debt ceiling increase through reconciliation without any Repub help. Thanks to Mitch, we got screwed again. It's either stupidity or cowardice (or both) that drives these Repub's, but the end result is always the same...we get bent over.


Well, the next time, Kentuckians can vote for Gifford’s backed candidate Amy McGrath or whatever woke replacement is offered. That should give you something to beat your chest about. Mitch won’t look so bad then, but.....




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November 07, 2021, 06:25 PM
Hammer1967
Sad times
The build back better bill will pass thru the process faster than a .99 cent food truck burrito gets thru your system.


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November 07, 2021, 07:10 PM
ZSMICHAEL
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No time soon. I will take your bet on that. They do not have the votes and that bill involves taxes and socialist programs among other things.
November 07, 2021, 09:15 PM
bigdeal
quote:
Originally posted by jljones:
Well, the next time, Kentuckians can vote for Gifford’s backed candidate Amy McGrath or whatever woke replacement is offered. That should give you something to beat your chest about. Mitch won’t look so bad then, but.....
Question: When someone bends you over a desk and puts it to you from behind, does it really matter who's doing the driving? Personally, if it's inevitable I'm going to get hosed, I'd at least prefer its a Dem doing it, not someone who claims to be on our side. Oh the other hand, ya wanna tell me Mitch 'or' Amy McGrath are the only two options available in the entire state? Come on man.


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November 08, 2021, 11:02 AM
jtedescucci
Not the only two options; but judging from history one would think that they are... It's a sad state of affairs. And like others have said, I would prefer to get "bent over" by an enemy rather than by someone claiming to be my friend.


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November 08, 2021, 11:13 AM
PASig
This is what kills me about these goddam Democrats. Aren't these MF's always crying about the rich not paying their fair share? Roll Eyes

So the rest of us get to subsidize the rich in high-tax blue states as they get to merrily write off all their state and local taxes once again... Mad


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Democratic hypocrisy on the rich and taxes

Las Vegas Review-Journal
November 7, 2021 - 9:01 pm

The House on Friday approved the $1.2 infrastructure bill after decoupling it from an even larger entitlement measure — the reconciliation legislation — pursued by progressives and the president. The content of the latter remains fluid and its fate remains in doubt, particularly in the Senate.

In order to get moderates on board for the massive social spending bonanza, Speaker Nancy Pelosi has revived an old favorite. Last week she discreetly made sure that the reconciliation bill includes a gift to wealthy residents of high-tax blue states in the form of a healthy increase in the federal write-off for state and local taxes — known as the SALT deduction. Democrats have been wailing about the provision ever since Republicans in 2017 imposed a $10,000 cap on such deductions, which made it more difficult for big-spending politicians in California, New York, Illinois and other liberal enclaves to disguise their imprudent fiscal decisions. Ms. Pelosi now seeks to bump the cap to $72,500.

This would overwhelmingly benefit high earners. The Wall Street Journal reports that a Tax Foundation model calculates nearly 88 percent of taxpayers making more than $1 million would get a tax cut under the Democratic plan, with filers earning beyond $250,000 getting 70 percent of the savings.


This from a party whose faithful regularly drone on about the rich not paying their “fair share” and only a week ago were floating the idea of taxing billionaire capital gains before they’re even realized. But the hypocrisy runs even deeper.

In addition to the SALT giveaway, Democrats would hand tax subsidies worth up to $12,500 to well-off Americans who buy electric vehicles. Under the current bill, the credit won’t phase out until individual earners hit $250,000 in annual income, or $500,000 for married joint filers. There’s also a tax credit for electric bikes — electric bikes! — including high-end models that run as much as $4,000.

Meanwhile, Democrats claim to have this $1.9 billion reconciliation bill “paid for” with higher taxes on corporations and the rich. That would be much easier, of course, if they weren’t taking away with one hand while giving back with the other through SALT relief, EV handouts and other subsidies. But the idea that this bill pays for itself is accounting fiction: In a master stroke of fiscal gimmickry, every new entitlement in the measure is designed to sunset — which will never happen. Whatever final number Democrats pin on this donkey, expect the true cost to be triple.

The infrastructure bill may be stuffed with pork, but the reconciliation spending barrage is a dangerous house of cards.


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November 08, 2021, 11:15 AM
gearhounds
^^^
The goal all along was to protect the wealthy and crush the middle class with taxes.




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November 08, 2021, 11:30 AM
Il Cattivo
^^^ The goal all along was to reinforce the rapidly fading importance of the northeastern corner of the U.S. and the interest groups that predominate there in the face of a decades-long dispersal of population, finances and political interest groups. We're still spreading out into the south, west and midwest, where politics and buisness are in many ways very different from the way they are in the northeast, and all the old-time gatekeepers are farting in panic and indignation.
November 08, 2021, 11:47 AM
jbourneidentity
All of this hot on the heels of the VA gubernatorial drubbing. No timing coincidence there.