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Originally posted by grumpy1:
I just renewed my FOID for another 10 years. I will be long gone from this state before it needs renewal again.

Lots of people have extensive social media presence. I doubt ISP wants to spend scores of hours to just go through one persons social media garbage.

I think every politician should be forced to make their social media information public first along with their school year books, report cards, employment reviews, and medical records since grade school.

Don't forget birth certificates to prove your birth nation.

This is not the only boneheaded law the boneheads are proposing. They also want to ban all GUNS that accept a magazine that holds more than ten rounds. This is not a magazine ban, it is a gun ban. Virtually every single gun I own would be banned under this law.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
I just renewed my FOID for another 10 years. I will be long gone from this state before it needs renewal again.

Lots of people have extensive social media presence. I doubt ISP wants to spend scores of hours to just go through one persons social media garbage.

I think every politician should be forced to make their social media information public first along with their school year books, report cards, employment reviews, and medical records since grade school.

If this law passes, you're not safe from its outreach. Your FOID can be revoked.

It can be revoked at any time now. There is a check done on every FOID holder daily I have read for any new information they have received that could trigger a revocation.

https://www.chicago-criminal-d...nd-Revocations.shtml

Reasons Why Your Application May Be Denied, Seized Or Revoked
There are a number of reasons your application may be initially denied or later revoked by the Illinois State Police Firearms Services Bureau. Continuing eligibility requirements generally focus on the following areas:

Criminal history: Many denials and revocation are based on convictions for various crimes involving domestic violence, assault, battery, orders of protection and all types of felonies.

Drug use: A person who has used or been addicted to an illegal drug, has failed a drug test or is a medical marijuana patient registry cardholder is not eligible for an FOID card.

Legal presence in the U.S.: An FOID cardholder cannot be an illegal alien, be present in the U.S. under a non-immigrant visa or renounce his or her U.S. citizenship.

Mental health: A person who is developmentally or intellectually disabled, has been a patient in a mental health facility or is deemed a mental defective may have his or her application denied or card seized upon commitment.

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Originally posted by Bulldog7972:
This is not the only boneheaded law the boneheads are proposing. They also want to ban all GUNS that accept a magazine that holds more than ten rounds. This is not a magazine ban, it is a gun ban. Virtually every single gun I own would be banned under this law.

From my reading of the text of the bill, that is not quite accurate but still a bad bill. Note the text and one or more of the following: . It would ban most any semi automatic rifle that can accept a detachable magazine but not semi automatic pistols like SIG P226, Glocks, etc. Those that already own such firearms could keep them but must register them and not doing so would be a felony.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislatio...4&SpecSess=&Session=


https://www.nraila.org/article...firearms-accessories

Senate Bill 107, sponsored by Senator Julie Morrison (D-29), would brand many modern semi-automatic rifles, semi-automatic handguns, and shotguns commonly owned by law-abiding citizens as “assault weapons” and ban them along with spare parts and accessories.

Some examples to be banned include:

Any semi-automatic rifle or handgun that can accept a detachable magazine greater than ten rounds in capacity and has one or more features, such as a protruding grip for the support hand; a folding, telescoping, or thumbhole stock; a handguard; or a muzzle brake or compensator.

Any semi-automatic shotgun that has one or more feature such as the ability to accept a detachable magazine; a folding, telescoping, or thumbhole stock; or a protruding grip for the support hand.

Any fixed magazine semi-automatic rifles or handguns greater than ten rounds in capacity and fixed magazine semi-automatic shotguns greater than five rounds in capacity.

Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
I just renewed my FOID for another 10 years. I will be long gone from this state before it needs renewal again.

Lots of people have extensive social media presence. I doubt ISP wants to spend scores of hours to just go through one persons social media garbage.

I think every politician should be forced to make their social media information public first along with their school year books, report cards, employment reviews, and medical records since grade school.

They needn't go through everything. That's the point. This test is so subjective, they can scan your stuff, pick out any one random thing they don't like, and boom, you're toast. The goal is to deny people their rights not build any real justification for taking them.

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
Those that already own such firearms could keep them but must register them and not doing so would be a felony.

Apparently there aren't enough criminals in Illinois, so state government has opted to turn thousands of otherwise law abiding citizens into criminals. Good example of a totalitarian state I guess.

So does my penchant for Goth porn and Miata web site membership help, hurt or not matter? I mean I could cut back on the Miata site if need be.

This shit is a scary road.

Don’t get me wrong if somebody reports that John Doe has threatened to take out a bus full of nuns on Facebook or this site or whatever and it seems credible and reported then by all accounts look into it. If John Doe simply posts on the SIGForum or Miata Forum or hell even HeilTheHellRYou.com nazi Forum as disgusting as that may be he isn’t doing anything wrong ...... until he goes after the nuns.

Thought crime is here.

If there were any logic to this (arguable) it may be trying to capture the idea that some of the nuts post stuff on these social sites right before they go nonlinear. As seen in the quotes in the news after an event - "He posted on [enter name of social media site] that he was going after [enter name of target] the morning before!"

The logic falls apart when you think about all the people who post stuff like that who are NOT going to charge in, guns blazing. It's a signal-to-noise, wheat/chaff, needle/haystack thing.

We have things like that here. Perfectly normal folks posting things like "Sack of doorknobs" etc. in a thread after a particularly egregious event when a) they don't have a sack, b) spare doorknobs, or c) any actual intention of using them if they did have them.

I wonder if the legislators know this and are just pandering to their base, or whether they actually believe everything they see on social media.

Grumpy1- Your FOID is only good for 5 yrs.

For a state hurting for income, they're trashing a cash cow with this. In addition to the FOID fees, one has to have a FOID to get a CCL and that's $153.50 a pop every 5 years. "All enemies, foreign and domestic...".

Just what the Dems planned:

https://www.ilnews.org/news/st...1d-2f1804ce74de.html

Facing costly new regulations, some gun shops close

By Cole Lauterbach | Illinois News Network Feb 4, 2019

Several gun dealers in Central and Southern Illinois are closing their businesses rather than pay what they’re saying is thousands of dollars in costs to comply with a law enacted last month.

When he signed the bill into law last month, Gov. J.B. Pritzker said the Gun Dealer Licensing Act was about stopping straw buyers.

“The reason for it is to deter straw purchases so that we can prevent someone from buying a gun for someone else who is not legally allowed to own a gun,” he said at the signing ceremony in Chicago.

For Jim Barnard, 69, couldn’t see a way to afford the cost of compliance with the new law. After more than 4 decades of operation, the owner of Fishman’s Sporting Goods in Girard had to make a tough decision.

“I’m just going to retire, I guess,” he said. “I hope that I can live off of what I’ve saved over the years.”

He made the decision to close his business in late January.

Mick Moore made the same decision for Walnut Creek Shooters Supply in Brownstown after seeing not only the cost of the license and the camera system. but also the uncertainty additional regulations and more fees.

“It’s just not worth it,” he said. “I’ve fought it and fought it but I’m just not up to the fight much longer.”

Just five miles south of Moore's shop is Bear Arms. John Washburn has owned Bear Arms since 2013. Although he doesn't place to close his doors, he said the future for his business is bleak.

“We’ll just have to wait and see, but there’s probably a chance that I’m just going to get out of it,” he said. “It’s because of the requirements.”

Neither of the law’s sponsors would respond to comment on the closings.

In Vandalia, Justin Arndt is working on comply with the requirements of the new law. He said the cost of video surveillance for his gun dealership and the cost to maintain that video for 90 days was significant.

“Between the security on the video surveillance, the state fee, and the electronic [record-keeping requirement], I could incur an additional $5,000 just to keep my door open,” he said. “I don’t know how many of us are going to be able to withstand this.”

Todd Vandermyde, executive director of Federal Firearms Licensees of Illinois, said the requirements aren’t about stopping crime, rather regulating gun shops out of business.

“You make it sound like this is a reasonable request but if a small gun shop has to put in a $10,000 surveillance system on top of potentially $3,000 in licenses, how do you expect them to stay in business,” he said. “This isn’t about safety. This isn’t about regulation.”

He said he’d heard of a number of other licensed online dealers closing their businesses as well.

Large companies that have multiple stores across the state are only required to pay the new annual fee for 27 locations, which would put the corporations at the $40,000 cap, the rest essentially amounting to what Vandermyde called a tax break.

He and others are weighing court challenges to the new law.

Well....I’d be 100% fuct. Given that their social media platforms consider memes and jokes to be hate speech and have put me in their digital jail multiple times I doubt I’d pass their unconstitutional gun grabbing bs.

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Originally posted by M-11:
Grumpy1- Your FOID is only good for 5 yrs.

For a state hurting for income, they're trashing a cash cow with this. In addition to the FOID fees, one has to have a FOID to get a CCL and that's $153.50 a pop every 5 years. "All enemies, foreign and domestic...".

FOID cards are valid for 10 years. CCL's are valid for 5 years.

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Originally posted by M-11:
Grumpy1- Your FOID is only good for 5 yrs.

For a state hurting for income, they're trashing a cash cow with this. In addition to the FOID fees, one has to have a FOID to get a CCL and that's $153.50 a pop every 5 years. "All enemies, foreign and domestic...".

Nope, my FOID expires 10/01/2028.