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trapper189
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reloader-1's point, and he's right, is that the OP's premise is false. The cold snap has affected all generating methods in Texas, not just the "green" ones. Wind, solar, natural gas and even nuclear plants have shutdown due to the cold snap.
 
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Just grabbed some local news in between the power going out. These idiots actually had the nerve to say that the natural gas and nuke plants were the cause, while wind was generating again and some solar back on line.

What a bunch of horse shit! Baghdad Bob would be ashamed of himself if he saw this. He only wishes he could have been as good as these aholes.

Every city and large town and region should be independent from every other region as far as energy production goes. Build a thorium reactor the size of a container and generate enough power for your area. Instant energy independence and about as green as your going to get without major improvements in all “green energy” production.
Independent power systems will not work . If you were in the business you would understand why .
 
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Not a green nut, but this isn’t a fair criticism. Multiple power sources are down in Texas because of weather, including nuclear (needs water to function and cool, said water is frozen), natural gas and coal (water needed as well), as well as wind.


Nukes up north manage just fine in the winter. Water doesn't freeze any different in the south


The last sentence is true, but the difference is that all of the support systems in northern plants are designed to handle long stretches of below freezing temperatures. That’s not true of plants in the South. I worked at a plant in upstate NY that drew from Lake Ontario. The plant was required by their operating license to have heating elements in the intake cap that had to be turned on at a certain lake temperature. Also, some of the hot condenser outlet water could be recirculated to the inlet, if needed. The plant I worked at in FL had none of that.
 
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Was listening to a podcast interview last night, the guest was commenting that not only was both nuclear and wind/solar energy sources not rated or, protected for sub-freezing temps but, the natural gas system was also not set-up to handle such temps. Anyone who's been camping/climbing in lower temps, know that pressurized gas canisters have a hard time working in lower temps, the pressure drops and the gas flow is intermittent and sluggish. Apparently the gas lines and their necessary pumps in TX, like the rest of country are run by electricity in compliance with EPA(?) regs. With electricy down, the pumps don't operates ergo, no gas delivered to customers. Like the rest of the utilities infrastructure, they weren't rated/hardened/set-up for freezing temps.
 
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I have seen news articles to the effect that, unlike other parts of the country, TX, not expecting anything like what northerners would consider a real winter, didn't winterize the components of its gas supply system. So when the big freeze hit, gas supply dropped, starving the gas fired power plants that supply most of TX's electricity.

The wind turbine excuse turned out to be a red herring.

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Originally posted by corsair:
Was listening to a podcast interview last night, the guest was commenting that not only was both nuclear and wind/solar energy sources not rated or, protected for sub-freezing temps but, the natural gas system was also not set-up to handle such temps. Anyone who's been camping/climbing in lower temps, know that pressurized gas canisters have a hard time working in lower temps, the pressure drops and the gas flow is intermittent and sluggish. Apparently the gas lines and their necessary pumps in TX, like the rest of country are run by electricity in compliance with EPA(?) regs. With electricy down, the pumps don't operates ergo, no gas delivered to customers. Like the rest of the utilities infrastructure, they weren't rated/hardened/set-up for freezing temps.
 
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