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Just for fun:

I cashed in a $50 series EE savings bond yesterday. My grandmother paid $25 for it and gave it to me 30 years ago. I got $101.40, so $25 plus $76.40 in interest. Had she bought Apple stock, that would be after splits, 76 shares today worth $169 or $12,844. She could have bought Enron instead of Apple, so there’s that as well. I have a nice, framed Enron certificate for 100 shares hanging on the wall.
 
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Yes. Bonds are low return - barring certain specific situations like inflation-pegged Series I Savings Bonds during periods of overly high inflation like we're currently experiencing - but are also low risk (with savings bonds being basically zero risk, having no chance of ever losing money barring a total government collapse).

Stocks can be high return, but also carry significant risk/volatility.

Both have their place in investing, based on your individual situation and risk tolerance.


On a related note, based on the most recent CPI numbers released yesterday, the variable rate for I Bonds is forecast to rise to 8.37% next month.
 
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The 5-Year TIPS auction announcement is tomorrow. The auction is Thursday April 21st.
 
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Will be dropping 10,000 of our emergency funds into I-bonds after the new rate comes in. It’d be 20, but the wife wants the money eroding in the bank


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Will be dropping 10,000 of our emergency funds into I-bonds after the new rate comes in. It’d be 20, but the wife wants the money eroding in the bank


After following this thread I am going to do the same thing May 1 for me and the wife.
 
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I misspoke. Projections for I Bonds' new rate is 9.62%, based on CPI numbers... The 8.37% is the composite APR between the current 7.12% and the new 9.62% rate.


It's best not to wait until May. Do it before April 30th.

It's a bit hard to visualize, but I Bonds variable rates don't work like traditional interest rates, where it pay to wait until the "better" interest rate is available and then "lock it in". The way I Bonds work, the variable interest rate changes every May and every November, based on inflation. But you get the full 6 month term of variable interest, no matter when you buy in during a rate period, followed by a full 6 months of the following rate, and the full 6 months of the following rate, and so on.

So if you buy I Bonds now in April 2022, you'll get the current 3.56% rate (7.12% APR) for the next 6 months through October 2022, and then May's new 4.81% rate (9.62% APR) for the next 6 months from October 2022 through April 2023.

So you'd get a full 6 months of the current 7.12% APR, as well as still the full 6 month of the new 9.62% APR.

Then if the variable rate drops at the next rate announcement in November 2022, you're still locked in at the higher APR until next April 2023. And if the variable rate goes up further in November 2022, you still get to take advantage of that new higher rate for a full 6 months from April 2023-October 2023.

So you're not missing out on anything by buying them now, rather than waiting until next month, since you still get to access May's higher rate for a full 6 month term. And you're giving yourself a 5 month leg up on a future rate decline, during which your I Bonds will continue to earn the better rate.


Plus, as previously mentioned, I Bonds are backdated to the 1st of the month during which they're purchased. So you can buy them on the last business day of April 29th, and still get credit for all of April's interest from April 1st. (But definitely buy them online before the last business day, since the gov often takes a day or two to process the order.)

So it's better to go ahead and create a Treasury Direct Account, and sock away that $10k before the end of the month.
 
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Thanks for the update.
 
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I misspoke. Projections for I Bonds' new rate is 9.62%, based on CPI numbers... The 8.37% is the composite APR between the current 7.12% and the new 9.62% rate.


It's best not to wait until May. Do it before April 30th.

Thank you for that explanation, I will go ahead and get it started.

It's a bit hard to visualize, but I Bonds variable rates don't work like traditional interest rates, where it pay to wait until the "better" interest rate is available and then "lock it in". The way I Bonds work, the variable interest rate changes every May and every November, based on inflation. But you get the full 6 month term of variable interest, no matter when you buy in during a rate period, followed by a full 6 months of the following rate, and the full 6 months of the following rate, and so on.

So if you buy I Bonds now in April 2022, you'll get the current 3.56% rate (7.12% APR) for the next 6 months through October 2022, and then May's new 4.81% rate (9.62% APR) for the next 6 months from October 2022 through April 2023.

So you'd get a full 6 months of the current 7.12% APR, as well as still the full 6 month of the new 9.62% APR.

Then if the variable rate drops at the next rate announcement in November 2022, you're still locked in at the higher APR until next April 2023. And if the variable rate goes up further in November 2022, you still get to take advantage of that new higher rate for a full 6 months from April 2023-October 2023.

So you're not missing out on anything by buying them now, rather than waiting until next month, since you still get to access May's higher rate for a full 6 month term. And you're giving yourself a 5 month leg up on a future rate decline, during which your I Bonds will continue to earn the better rate.


Plus, as previously mentioned, I Bonds are backdated to the 1st of the month during which they're purchased. So you can buy them on the last business day of April 29th, and still get credit for all of April's interest from April 1st. (But definitely buy them online before the last business day, since the gov often takes a day or two to process the order.)

So it's better to go ahead and create a Treasury Direct Account, and sock away that $10k before the end of the month.


Thank you for that explanation, I will go ahead and get mine started.
 
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