Lately my wife and I have noticed OAN now has "higher-profile" commercials. Even saw a Pepsi commercial the other day. This would suggest they've attracted enough eyes to make them attractive to more mainstream advertisers. Ironically, a story on OAN earlier this evening was Fox' ratings are in something of a free-fall and their approval rating from conservatives is in the toilet.

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Hardly a surprise.

Good. Maybe we can get an affordable streaming option for OAN.

OAN really needs to step up their game regarding their website content, though. I don't have OAN TV/channel, so I don't know how it is, but their website's news stories are often over a day old, and that was before this election season. And with everything that's been switching to overdrive post-election, they're still behind. That's just not acceptable. It's like they don't have enough staff for real breaking stories, and that's not going to cut it, if you want to be in the big league.

I cringe listening to Rush Limbaugh , as the station I listen to his show is a Fox netwrk affiliate. Their radio format follows their TV agenda, leaning leftist, anti-Trump.

That’s great news. Hopefully Faux tanks right behind the others they’ve sought to emulate.

How many media outlets do we need that all say the same thing?

FOX is DOA. Too bad. It was good while it lasted.

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Originally posted by coloradohunter44:
FOX is DOA. Too bad. It was good while it lasted.

Hardly.

Fox has become a useful idiot for the three ring circus. MSN, MSDNC and the rest of the gang have long been DOA. Strangely, someone (China) has been propping them all up with cash. Same will happen to Fox.

Fox isn’t going any where. Someone else will just start paying the bills, fair and balanced.

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
Good. Maybe we can get an affordable streaming option for OAN.

$5/mo. isn't affordable? How much cheaper do you want it to be?

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Originally posted by 12131:
I don't have OAN TV/channel, so I don't know how it is, ...

Production quality seemed to get worse for a short while, there, but seems to be better, lately. Maybe their fortunes are looking up? Maybe people are finally beginning to discover that the dominant media isn't worth a damn for news anymore?

The live streaming TV channel does seem to be current. "Seems" being the key word. They're keeping up with the threads on SF That's really the only other "news source" I have. I don't even watch the local OTA TV "news" pap anymore.

Martha is just a shell of her former self. And I mean that in a journalistic sense. Sad to have seen it. I did try to watch some of it recently. Just terrible.

You gotta dance with the one that brung you.
Fox forgot this ancient wisdom.

I usually don’t watch OAN but, do watch Newsmax.

https://noqreport.com/2020/11/...st-continue-to-fall/

Why Fox News must continue to fall
They're hemorrhaging viewers. It's not enough. They must be made to completely abandon any pretense of conservatism to the point they're competing with CNN and MSNBC for the left.

by JD Rucker November 24, 2020

Fox News revealed its true colors on election night. At least that’s the common narrative spoken in conservative circles. But the truth is more nefarious, more sinister. Fox News has been quietly working against President Trump and conservatives since shortly after his election. They just did it stealthily and attempted to shift their network and their formerly massive audience to the center.

This is why they must be pushed even further. If there’s one thing we can say about CNN, MSNBC, and network news channels, it’s that we know the enemy well. There is no subterfuge in their ideology, no false pretense behind their actions. They are progressives, unabashedly, through and through. That makes them less dangerous than a network like Fox News who hides their true intentions. It’s better to face a wolf in the woods than a rattler in your sleeping bag.

What we saw on election night was them turning on the faucet of what had previously been a drip campaign. They did not want to lose their audience too soon, not as long as they could continue to manipulate them. They wanted to carry the mantle as the only major news channel conservatives could go to with the expectation of not being bombarded with Trump Derangement Syndrome. But what they gave us was subtle. It crept under the skin slowly as they attempted to manipulate their viewership through regular leftist guests, occasional nods of approval towards Democrats, and increasingly common jabs at the President.

What was once occasional has now become commonplace at the network. They pulled back their false skin and revealed that they are worse than a conglomeration of Democrats. They’re a combination of Bush-era neo-conservatives, left-leaning Libertarians, and yes, some flat-out bonafide Democrats. They longed for a time when Mitt Romney or John McCain could have carried the Republican mantle. And President Trump was a threat.

They were just as blindsided by the Trump victory as Matt Drudge was. The difference is Drudge didn’t have the patience nor the inclination to deal in subtlety. He took his site to the left very quickly and became anti-Trump within months after the election. Fox News evolved into what they were just before election night. Then, they had their coming-out party, taking cues from the left to not call Florida when they should even though they called Virginia and Arizona when they shouldn’t. It was all part of the plan.

In truth, they aren’t too worried about hemorrhaging viewers. They believe they’ll be able to get them back once President Trump is out of the picture. This absolutely, positively, unambiguously must never, ever happen. Never. Did I mention NEVER! And that’s not a proclamation based on emotion following a massive betrayal. They simply cannot be trusted. Like I said, I’d rather see a wolf in the forest than feel the bite of a rattler in my sleeping bag. Once you’ve been bitten, you learn to check your sleeping bag before getting in again. You also learn that a wolf can be scared away or fought off with a stick.

Don’t bring up Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, or any of the evening hosts who value freedom. It’s unfortunate that they’re going to suffer from our departure from Fox News viewership, but they’ll be fine. They’ll adjust or they’ll move to redder pastures. They may be separate from the news department at their network, but they saw what was happening and did essentially nothing. They are not part of corporate Fox News but they are beholden to them by choice.

They can go down the road of Glenn Beck who has reinvented himself. They could go to One America News or Newsmax; hopefully they’ve invested wisely so they aren’t too attached to their massive Fox News salaries. They could even go to a future Trump news network if, God forbid, his team fails to prove their cases before the Supreme Court.

It’s a little known (for some reason) fact that Fox News has always envisioned having the widest audience, including a predisposition towards a pro-amnesty agenda. Until their post-election fall, they’ve had the biggest audience, but not necessarily the widest in terms of ideology. They are true believes in portraying themselves as “fair and balanced” and reluctantly took on the label of being right-leaning only because that’s what their base audience craved. But that’s not what they craved. They, like so many in the Republican Establishment, believe they must cater to the center in order to achieve their long term goals. They base this on the belief that their competitors are so far to the left now that the center is underserved. What they don’t realize is that there is no true center anymore. We are polarized as a nation. Bipartisanship is dead. Centrism is dying.

The only true holes that need to be filled are for honest news outlets that embrace one side or the other. Fact-based reporting with an ideological spin relegated to only the opinion side of the outlet is what Americans want. And that can be accomplished. Just not by Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, or network news. They are all tainted, having let editorial seep into their news.

It’s funny that two of the rising news networks that are both labeled “far-right” are actually the most honest out there. One America News and Newsmax both have conservative principles driving their editorial, but both also offer fact-based news reporting with minimal spin. They aren’t perfect. Both have tons of work to do before they can compete with the big boys and both still have infinitesimal audiences compared to an exposed Fox News, but both also show tremendous promise.

It’s not enough for Fox News to take a hit on their viewership, especially if it’s only temporary. They need to be pushed into fighting for CNN’s and MSNBC’s progressive audience. They must NEVER be allowed to pretend to be conservative again.

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$5/mo. isn't affordable? How much cheaper do you want it to be?

Well, $5 a month is more than affordable. The last time I looked, when Para created the article about them, if I remember correctly, it was a lot more than that.

It's not even about the ratings. If ratings were all that kept networks afloat CNN, MSNBC and the rest would have been gone long ago. These networks are still around and are funded by the leftists corporations and other leftists big money. Any advertising money that comes their way is gravy. Fox has been left leaning for awhile. As soon as they smelled Trumps blood in the water they bailed on him and joined who they think to be the winners.

They will continue to be around just like the rest of them staying afloat by their masters generosity regardless of ratings. Until we reach the point where the media is no longer a need to promote the agenda.

I mentioned this Earlier, but Fox's radio network is just as corrupt as their TV and leftist leaning.

Many of the conservative radio programs I listen to are on Fox news feeds, so Fox's babble for news is used.

Perhaps NewsMax,OAN will expand to radio? Or have they already done that?

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
$5/mo. isn't affordable? How much cheaper do you want it to be?

Well, $5 a month is more than affordable. The last time I looked, when Para created the article about them, if I remember correctly, it was a lot more than that.

It's been $5/mo. for as long as we've been subscribed: June, 2018.

One issue with OAN is their subscription model. They sell only via devices where their billing can be handled by the device's app store. So, while we've been able to get it on Apple TV and Amazon Fire TV, it was not available on Android TV last time I looked.

This also means that, if you have a mix of streaming boxes, such as Apple TVs and Fire TVs, as we currently have, if you want it on all devices you have to pay separate subscriptions for each maker.

Contrast that to every other subscription we have (Netflix, Amazon Prime, PBS Passport), where they handler their own subscription services, so one subscription covers all devices for all manufacturers.

NewsMax is getting better, too. I mainly watch OAN. My wife watches OAN and NewsMax about 50/50.

Neither one of us watches any of the broadcast network pap anymore. She'll have one of the local news/morning shows on in the morning, but, in the evening we only catch the local "news" for the weather segment, then off it goes.

As an aside: If your cable/satellite service doesn't carry OAN, you should pressure them to do so.

The wife was watching the local news last night; some Fox affiliate in Colorado Springs. We live in El Paso County; a solid Red County. I wanted to vomit when the on-air 'personality' stated something to the effect that 'the GSA decided to begin biden's transition due to President Trumps legal efforts *failed*.' No reports on the death threats the GSA personnel were getting. No, can't have that.

THEY DID NOT "FAIL", you tart! I had to physically leave the room, as I could not stomach that defeatist/deceptive/fraudulent 'reporting.'

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It's not even about the ratings. If ratings were all that kept networks afloat CNN, MSNBC and the rest would have been gone long ago. These networks are still around and are funded by the leftists corporations and other leftists big money.

Mmmmm... In the case of the live TV stuff: Just as likely the cable and satellite services, which is the same thing that keeps sports channels such as ESPN afloat and are now, ironically, the biggest source of income for the broadcast TV industry (in the form of retransmission fees).

The reason cable and satellite TV are so expensive isn't because of HBO, Cinemax, and so-on. It's primarily due to subsidizing sports channels such as ESPN and to pay for broadcast TV retrans fees. Given some of their ratings it's sounding like the "news" shows may be in that mix, too.

I'm sure the same dynamics apply to aggregating streaming services such as YouTube TV and HULU.

We pay 9.99/month for KlowdTV to get OAN
They have apps on all the major platforms

https://www.klowdtv.com/apps.ktv