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I walked away from an illegal gun sale today.
July 20, 2019, 09:17 AM
Rick LeeI walked away from an illegal gun sale today.
I'm just not gonna mess with anything that feels shady. I've done plenty of parking lot gun deals and never felt any of the other parties were shady at all. I have a clear conscience about all previous deals. This one, however, had red flags as soon as the guy pulled into the parking lot. Didn't take me five seconds to know I was gonna walk. FWIW, I'm pretty sure my gut is more accurate than any NICS check. Maybe the FBI will outsource the work to me.
Freewill Firearms
07 FFL, Class 2 SOT
July 20, 2019, 09:24 AM
jljonesGood job, Rick. This story has a ton of red flags. The only thing missing was the dude telling you he is also a convicted felon.
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July 20, 2019, 10:01 AM
braillediverquote:
Originally posted by Rick Lee:
I'm pretty sure my gut is more accurate than any NICS check.
+1000 It's your butt on the line so go with your instincts.
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July 20, 2019, 10:48 AM
oddballWe as gun owners have a duty to see, to the best of our ability, that our guns pass on to responsible people. And the FL guy was more than willing to break the law. Yep, trust the red flag system.
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July 20, 2019, 11:02 AM
Rick LeeAnother guy is emailing me about it now. He asked if I need a bill of sale. I said just need to see AZ ID. Will see how this one goes.
Freewill Firearms
07 FFL, Class 2 SOT
July 20, 2019, 11:04 AM
bobandmikakoquote:
Originally posted by Rick Lee:
I told him I could meet after 8pm, got home, texted him when and where I could meet. Radio silence.
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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
Today he texted me that he had dozed off, still wanted it. I said same place in 30 min. No reply for an hour.
Nice job on walking away. Honestly, I would have called it off the first time he didn't reply when you had planned to meet after 8pm. I hate getting jacked around by buyers or sellers. Unless I know the person, I have zero tolerance for this type of behavior.
十人十色 July 20, 2019, 11:45 AM
Balzé Halzéquote:
Originally posted by braillediver:
quote:
Originally posted by Rick Lee:
I'm pretty sure my gut is more accurate than any NICS check.
+1000 It's your butt on the line so go with your instincts.
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July 20, 2019, 12:49 PM
YooperSigsI posted a couple of things on Armslist. Quite a few of the responses were shady.
No more Armslist for me.
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July 20, 2019, 02:00 PM
Rick LeeI sold it this morning. The guy showed me an AZ DL and he matched the photo. We texted through iMessage, so I know it's a real iPhone and not a burner, got his email and I wrote his AZ plate # down. I think this one was fine.
Freewill Firearms
07 FFL, Class 2 SOT
July 20, 2019, 02:04 PM
flashguyquote:
Originally posted by 12131:
I would have walked away right about here:
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He said he was picking it up for his brother
Why complicate things any further?
Exactly. Aren't "straw sales" always illegal? Bona fide gifts are OK, of course. (At least in "free" states. . . .)
flashguy
Texan by choice, not accident of birth July 20, 2019, 02:23 PM
bigdealquote:
Originally posted by southernmaninla:
Under Fed law it is illegal to private transfer a firearm including handguns, rifles and shotguns to a person that resides in another state
this includes family.
Edited to add most states also have laws against it.
It's stupid but it's the law.
ATF FAQ link
https://www.google.com/url?q=h...imMOLBP_2_KlitaKF0V1
Yep, that's the law, however, I will always treat the bolded section above as open to my personal discretion.
I've sold a number of guns FTF to non-family members, and for that transaction to happen, the buyer must....
1 - Provide me with a Florida DL
2 - Provide me with a Florida CCL
3 - Sign a Bill of Sale detailing the aforementioned info.
That bill of sale is filed in my safe should I ever need to substantiate where that gun went.
You made an excellent decision opting to walk away from that deal given all the red flags.
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July 20, 2019, 04:02 PM
SevenPlusOnequote:
Originally posted by 1s1k:
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Originally posted by Dusty78:
The most alarming thing in this post is that you were selling a beater Glock 23 for $500
First thing I thought.
I'm pretty sure that's against Federal law too.
"Ninja kick the damn rabbit" July 20, 2019, 04:45 PM
Russ59Florida Man strikes again!
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July 20, 2019, 05:01 PM
TRshootemThese days, if selling or trading a hand gun with a person unknown to me, I want them to have a carry permit from my state and we do a bill of sale. I once sold a revolver that was later used in a crime(spousal abuse), so I'm much more fussy in this kind of transaction.
July 20, 2019, 05:40 PM
jhe888The law is that you can't knowingly sell to an out of stater. You don't have to affirmatively check to make sure he is a resident of the state. But once he had out of state plates, you might be charged with knowing he isn't from your state. You did the right thing.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. July 20, 2019, 11:03 PM
David Leequote:
Originally posted by YooperSigs:
I posted a couple of things on Armslist. Quite a few of the responses were shady.
No more Armslist for me.
Ah yoop, I was wondering if I was alone with reservations about that site. It does not seem as secure as buying or selling on others. One such, too good to be true deal I had inquired about on there turned out to be a scam and the site emailed me the sellers gun ad was flagged scam. I dont trust sellers on that site.
July 21, 2019, 05:50 AM
trapper189quote:
Originally posted by jhe888:
The law is that you can't knowingly sell to an out of stater. You don't have to affirmatively check to make sure he is a resident of the state. But once he had out of state plates, you might be charged with knowing he isn't from your state. You did the right thing.
27 C.F.R. §478.30 says "knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in" "the State in which the transferor resides".
July 21, 2019, 06:14 AM
HarrisonLLCquote:
Originally posted by bigdeal:
quote:
Originally posted by southernmaninla:
Under Fed law it is illegal to private transfer a firearm including handguns, rifles and shotguns to a person that resides in another state
this includes family.
Edited to add most states also have laws against it.
It's stupid but it's the law.
ATF FAQ link
https://www.google.com/url?q=h...imMOLBP_2_KlitaKF0V1
Yep, that's the law, however, I will always treat the bolded section above as open to my personal discretion.
I've sold a number of guns FTF to non-family members, and for that transaction to happen, the buyer must....
1 - Provide me with a Florida DL
2 - Provide me with a Florida CCL
3 - Sign a Bill of Sale detailing the aforementioned info.
That bill of sale is filed in my safe should I ever need to substantiate where that gun went.
You made an excellent decision opting to walk away from that deal given all the red flags.
Personal discretion? Under the law it is a felony to give your child any firearm (except antiques) if they reside in another state. I don't agree with it, but that is the law. They only way, that I know of, a firearm can legally cross state lines without a background check is thru death in a will.
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July 21, 2019, 06:44 AM
Balzé Halzéquote:
Originally posted by southernmaninla:
Personal discretion? Under the law it is a felony to give your child any firearm (except antiques) if they reside in another state. I don't agree with it, but that is the law. They only way, that I know of, a firearm can legally cross state lines without a background check is thru death in a will.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Bigdeal is fully aware of that. And I agree with his position completely.
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July 21, 2019, 08:36 AM
Flgorilla18I've never heard of local P.D.'s (I work for one in Florida) setting up stings for this kind of thing, maybe ATF?