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It's amazing he made it to 91. Given the life style he led, with the caliber of women that he did, most men would have been dead in weeks




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It's amazing he made it to 91. Given the life style he led, with the caliber of women that he did, most men would have been dead in weeks


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and gets to rest beside Marilyn forever

well done Hef



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Edit: Rats, I see somebody beat me to it.




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I wonder if they will bury him in his pajama housecoat?
 
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(Disclosure: My family was ripped apart @ age 13 due to my father being addicted to pornography and divorcing my mom after 25 years. So much for harmless.)

I know, let the flaming begin.

And then there is this:
By Penny Young Nance

Yes, Hugh Hefner was a pioneer -- in the objectification of women and the lie of the Playboy lifestyle

While many in the press are hailing Hugh Hefner as a pioneer in his day — championing abortion rights and breaking the shackles of an oppressive sexual culture — the man represented a lifestyle and business that was in no way, shape, or form helpful to women.  

It is no surprise celebrities are tripping over themselves to praise the man who gave them a platform to become famous for stripping down to nothing. He will be buried next to Marilyn Monroe, the woman whose nude photograph he published in his first issue of Playboy. 

Hefner indeed was a pioneer. He was the force behind the mainstream objectification of women, someone who paid them to take their clothes off and convinced them it was empowering to do so, using the same arguments pornographers use for the same goals. 

The harmful effects of pornography are no longer secret. Pornography is violent and has been proven to lead to aggression against women — no surprise since the vast majority of the victims of violence in pornography are women. 

Porn is everywhere and easily accessible which is different from the days when boys hid coveted copies of Hefner’s magazine under their beds. An astounding 90 percent of boys and 60 percent of girls have been exposed in some way to pornography before they turn 18. Over half of men look at porn frequently and, sadly, 50 percent of religious men say they are addicted to pornography. 
In 2013 traffic to porn sites received more traffic than Netflix, Amazon, and Twitter combined.  According to WebRoot, porn increased marital infidelity by 300 percent, and a study published in Science magazine showed a direct correlation between consuming porn in marriage and a higher divorce rate. Hefner said he never cheated while married, but he confessed that “I had a lot of girlfriends, but it's not the same as cheating.” And the breakdown of the American family continues. 

Holly Madison, who lived in the Playboy Mansion, starred in a television show about her time there and was Hefner’s #1 girlfriend for a time, reveals she contemplated suicide while she lived with Hefner and his girlfriends. The glamourous life was a total lie.  
Holly was only one of the many women who bought into Hefner’s lies and suffered the consequences of being bought and paid for.  

While I never met Hefner myself, it is beyond my ability to comprehend how Hollywood views a man who walked around in pajamas all day, paid women for sex, brought the objectification of women into the mainstream culture, and became wealthy by creating a magazine for lonely men as some kind of a hero. 
Girls, please. We deserve better than this. 


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(Disclosure: My family was ripped apart @ age 13 due to my father being addicted to pornography and divorcing my mom after 25 years. So much for harmless.)

I know, let the flaming begin.

And then there is this:
By Penny Young Nance

..l.l 

Porn is everywhere and easily accessible which is different from the days when boys hid coveted copies of Hefner’s magazine under their beds. An astounding 90 percent of boys and 60 percent of girls have been exposed in some way to pornography before they turn 18. Over half of men look at porn frequently and, sadly, 50 percent of religious men say they are addicted to pornography. 
In 2013 traffic to porn sites received more traffic than Netflix, Amazon, and Twitter combined.  According to WebRoot, porn increased marital infidelity by 300 percent, and a study published in Science magazine showed a direct correlation between consuming porn in marriage and a higher divorce rate. Hefner said he never cheated while married, but he confessed that “I had a lot of girlfriends, but it's not the same as cheating.” And the breakdown of the American family continues. 

 


Whatever the merits of her thoughts may be, this is the kind of abuse of statistics seen more often than proper use of statistics, 163% more actually, and brings the whole methodology into suspicion and disrepute.

First of all, what exactly is included in "pornography?" To some, a woman in a bikini might be pornographic. To others, anything less than several adults of different gender and a few barnyard animals in the photo might be a stretch. Like Justice Potter Stewart's observation in a case long ago, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that." Jacobellis v. Ohio 378 U.S. 184

It seems likely that one's view (sorry) of porn tracks with one's religious ferver. "50 percent of religious men say they are addicted to pornography." What is "addicted?"




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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(Disclosure: My family was ripped apart @ age 13 due to my father being addicted to pornography and divorcing my mom after 25 years. So much for harmless.)

I know, let the flaming begin.

And then there is this:
By Penny Young Nance

..l.l 

Porn is everywhere and easily accessible which is different from the days when boys hid coveted copies of Hefner’s magazine under their beds. An astounding 90 percent of boys and 60 percent of girls have been exposed in some way to pornography before they turn 18. Over half of men look at porn frequently and, sadly, 50 percent of religious men say they are addicted to pornography. 
In 2013 traffic to porn sites received more traffic than Netflix, Amazon, and Twitter combined.  According to WebRoot, porn increased marital infidelity by 300 percent, and a study published in Science magazine showed a direct correlation between consuming porn in marriage and a higher divorce rate. Hefner said he never cheated while married, but he confessed that “I had a lot of girlfriends, but it's not the same as cheating.” And the breakdown of the American family continues. 

 


Whatever the merits of her thoughts may be, this is the kind of abuse of statistics seen more often than proper use of statistics, 163% more actually, and brings the whole methodology into suspicion and disrepute.

First of all, what exactly is included in "pornography?" To some, a woman in a bikini might be pornographic. To others, anything less than several adults of different gender and a few barnyard animals in the photo might be a stretch. Like Justice Potter Stewart's observation in a case long ago, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that." Jacobellis v. Ohio 378 U.S. 184

It seems likely that one's view (sorry) of porn tracks with one's religious ferver. "50 percent of religious men say they are addicted to pornography." What is "addicted?"


"physically and mentally dependent on a particular substance, and unable to stop taking it without incurring adverse effects."

But then again from another lawyer,
"It depends on what the meaning of is...is"


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Other men may have had more money, but few had a better life




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Pornography is violence? Depends on what you are watching.

This whole objectification of women argument is crap, these girls clawed each others eyes out to be the next centerfold, and I don't see bars and locks on the mansion doors. If you didn't like it, leave.

Holly Madison wanted to commit suicide? She made a shit ton of money being a playmate and in the reality shows, etc etc. She said she left because he wouldn't marry her. Only now when she is nobody again does she come out with this crap.

Say what you want about Hefner, despise what he was, despise the magazine he made and everything he stood for, that's fine it's your opinion. He didn't put a gun to anyone's head to read his magazine or pose in it.




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I've not spent a lot of time in bars, nor in nightclubs outside of being a musician, but I did spend some very pleasant time in a couple of Playboy Clubs in my youth.

These were very nicely decorated, the bunnies were all drop dead gorgeous and very well trained as waitresses, drinks were $1.50 and so were steak dinners, very impressive compared to the bars and clubs I had experienced back then.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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(Disclosure: My family was ripped apart @ age 13 due to my father being addicted to pornography and divorcing my mom after 25 years. So much for harmless.)

I know, let the flaming begin.

And then there is this:
By Penny Young Nance

Yes, Hugh Hefner was a pioneer -- in the objectification of women and the lie of the Playboy lifestyle

While many in the press are hailing Hugh Hefner as a pioneer in his day — championing abortion rights and breaking the shackles of an oppressive sexual culture — the man represented a lifestyle and business that was in no way, shape, or form helpful to women.  

It is no surprise celebrities are tripping over themselves to praise the man who gave them a platform to become famous for stripping down to nothing. He will be buried next to Marilyn Monroe, the woman whose nude photograph he published in his first issue of Playboy. 

Hefner indeed was a pioneer. He was the force behind the mainstream objectification of women, someone who paid them to take their clothes off and convinced them it was empowering to do so, using the same arguments pornographers use for the same goals. 

The harmful effects of pornography are no longer secret. Pornography is violent and has been proven to lead to aggression against women — no surprise since the vast majority of the victims of violence in pornography are women. 

Porn is everywhere and easily accessible which is different from the days when boys hid coveted copies of Hefner’s magazine under their beds. An astounding 90 percent of boys and 60 percent of girls have been exposed in some way to pornography before they turn 18. Over half of men look at porn frequently and, sadly, 50 percent of religious men say they are addicted to pornography. 
In 2013 traffic to porn sites received more traffic than Netflix, Amazon, and Twitter combined.  According to WebRoot, porn increased marital infidelity by 300 percent, and a study published in Science magazine showed a direct correlation between consuming porn in marriage and a higher divorce rate. Hefner said he never cheated while married, but he confessed that “I had a lot of girlfriends, but it's not the same as cheating.” And the breakdown of the American family continues. 

Holly Madison, who lived in the Playboy Mansion, starred in a television show about her time there and was Hefner’s #1 girlfriend for a time, reveals she contemplated suicide while she lived with Hefner and his girlfriends. The glamourous life was a total lie.  
Holly was only one of the many women who bought into Hefner’s lies and suffered the consequences of being bought and paid for.  

While I never met Hefner myself, it is beyond my ability to comprehend how Hollywood views a man who walked around in pajamas all day, paid women for sex, brought the objectification of women into the mainstream culture, and became wealthy by creating a magazine for lonely men as some kind of a hero. 
Girls, please. We deserve better than this. 

While I don't agree with all your thoughts about pornography, I do find it interesting that the media has treated his lifestyle with approval and admiration. Where are the quotes and interviews with the Gloria Steinems of the world. Certainly no one exploited women more than Hefner, yet not a peep out of the chronically offended.
 
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Men objectified women when they first laid eyes on them and to a degree vice versa. It isn’t new and didn’t start with dirty magazines. It is called attraction, and without it we would have become extinct long ago. Scream for equality all you want, it doesn’t matter. Men and women are different, as they should be.

Any argument that those women were taken advantage of is an argument that they were unable to make their own decisions, needed protection, etc and goes against the equality claim. They used their looks to acquire wealth and fame, feed insecurities, exercise power and control over others. Whether you agree or not, it was liberating and empowering for them. Their choice not being someone else’s choice doesn’t make it “wrong”.

Some may have later regretted their decisions, just as many people do. Plenty of doctors, lawyers, construction workers, etc are suicidal at one point or another, does that mean those careers are immoral, exploitative, or poor choices?



My wife has a friend whose marriage was destroyed because the friends husband became addicted to porn. Or so she claims... I don’t know the man but I know the woman is a raging harpy who does nothing to suggest she cares about her appearance, who holds her hellion offspring on a pedestal, chastising the man for trying to discipline the brat, is demeaning and dissmive of the man seeing him only as the provider of a paycheck.

Did pornography ruin the marriage or did it only enter after mutual love and respect left?


Hef’s style is not my personal choice, I am not in agreement with many things he did but I will admit to envy on occasion of what he did and had.

Bottom line, Hef left his mark and he lived his life on his terms. I won’t fault anyone for that.






What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???


 
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Anyone that as soon a someone is opposed to something, the event ot thing is suddenly violent?




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it would be very interesting to get 5 ) 24 y.o. guys together with five guys that were 24 y.o. in 1979 and get their opinions on porn .

I know that there has to be way different opinions.

I could not have begun to understand what was going on with people all over the globe,
the perspective could be either very interesting or very disturbing.





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"Temptation is a woman's weapon and man's excuse." -- H. L. Mencken




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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"Temptation is a woman's weapon and man's excuse." -- H. L. Mencken

So true! We use the tools God provided us with.

The real Sexual Revolution, which Hef encouraged and made a fortune from, was on the female side. It removed, gradually, the historic guilt forced on women for engaging in sex outside of marriage, freeing all of us to enjoy it.

Employing centerfolds and bunnies only recognized the difference between the male and female roles in life, as summarized by JALLEN's quote from Mencken. Hef made money, women gained freedom, men benefitted from both. Win-win-win.


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Who cares what societal norms he challenged? He took pics of hot naked chicks and put them in a magazine with jokes and articles.

Genius.




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