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Originally posted by DCFD4:
Your closeup pic pretty clearly shows what goes where. I kinda gave a description above.


I've printed your post but that doesn't mean it's clear to me. I can zoom in on the original photo and I still can't figure out what was attached to what and where that white wire was attached. Wiring isn’t my forte, but as a homeowner since 1980 I’ve done a fair amount of simple wiring. This, to me, is above what I can comprehend. If I can’t figure it out tomorrow, I’ll set it aside for an electrician.


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OK Cannon Beach or Astoria?


More like down by the Kalifornia border.


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Gary, I emailed you my number. Call me when you mess with it. I'll help you if you want. I will stress that electricity can both kill and start fires and since it's already starting off wired in improper manner I really suggest you hire a real electrician.



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Gary, I emailed you my number. Call me when you mess with it. I'll help you if you want. I will stress that electricity can both kill and start fires and since it's already starting off wired in improper manner I really suggest you hire a real electrician.


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Gary, I emailed you my number. Call me when you mess with it. I'll help you if you want. I will stress that electricity can both kill and start fires and since it's already starting off wired in improper manner I really suggest you hire a real electrician.


I don’t have a cell phone and no long distance calling plans on my land line, so I appreciate the phone number, but it is unlikely I’ll call. I really did think this would be simple or I would not have bought a new light, but called an electrician in the first place. It is most likely what I will end up doing. I thought what’s so difficult about installing a new light. Black to black, white to white and ground to ground. I never could have imagined what I found, and the live wires, no matter where the switch was on or off really made no sense. I’ll delve back into the posts I printed tomorrow to see if I can make sense of what I have, but an electrician is the most likely course of action here.


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I understand the problem of getting an electrician. I lived in rural Wisconsin seventy miles from a shopping mall. One grocery store and two hardware stores. No problems with hunting or fishing supplies. Other stuff was difficult.

On the other hand you live in a beautiful area, far enough from Portland. You have internet so maybe you could do Skype with Skins.

Best of luck to you.
 
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Did you understand my original post?




 
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I'm of no help here, but could I ask what is a switch leg?
 
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I'm of no help here, but could I ask what is a switch leg?


Wire that feeds power from switch to item being energized.



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Whoever wired that didn't do it by the book. Best guess is that it's a feed through to the outlets and works similar to a dead end switch. Try black to black, white to white, but the single white going to fixture black. Don't use the two black wires. Color the single wire black, blue, or red with a sharpie. That now colored wire will be the hot, and the two whites will be the neutral.

Test everything before actually installing the fixture. Also depending on the fixture it may also need a box installed. You can tell because there will be a 1/2" knockout present on the back of the fixture and an enclosed wiring compartment.
Honestly there should be a box installed anyways because you can't fit three wires through a Romex connector.

Given the limited experience, I'd recommend having a licensed electrician do it. It's hard for me to guess what is there from the internet.


We’ll, it is obvious that I will not be able to get an electrician to come and fix this for me, so I have been reading the instructions that I printed over and over in an effort to do this myself. I hooked the black to black and white to white as seen in the photo below. Not sure it makes sense to me, but I got my outlets back. Now, I am totally confused as to how to wire the new fixture in. If that single lone white wire gets connected to the black wire on the new fixture, where does the white wire on the new fixture get connected? With the two white wires as in the photo below?



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If it's what I believe the situation is then two white wires joined go to white fixture wire, single white (with companion black snipped off) goes to fixture black. All grounds get tied together with pigtail to green fixture wire.

When you tied it in like pic above, did your outlets start working again?



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If it's what I believe the situation is then two white wires joined go to white fixture wire, single white (with companion black snipped off) goes to fixture black. All grounds get tied together with pigtail to green fixture wire.

When you tied it in like pic above, did your outlets start working again?


Yes, the outlets started working again.


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Once again I will stress there is nothing legal or code based on your pics and I will suggest hiring a professional/licensed electrician to address the deficiencies.



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Here,watch this video. It's explains it perfectly. Fast forward to 2:28, "light fixture in the middle and switch at the end". The stab in connector from the switch is the constant hot for the outlets. The single white wire should have been colored black at both ends. As others have said, it looks like something else is wired on this circuit. I would wire the light up correctly first, leave one of the black and white wires loose, and see what does not work after the light and switch work correctly.

https://www.youtube.com
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