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Why Don’t Schools Fail Students Anymore?
May 02, 2026, 09:33 AM
kz1000Why Don’t Schools Fail Students Anymore?
Used to be called "Social Promotion".
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May 02, 2026, 09:33 AM
downeastnc1Cause you can't fix stupid.
May 02, 2026, 09:34 AM
229DAKquote:
In this era of little/zero personal responsibility
IMHO, this is at the core of what is rotting our country.
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May 02, 2026, 09:36 AM
chellim1quote:
As a nod to JALLEN, he had the best solution - if you want better schools, let schools choose their students by interviewing the family. I'd wager a large sum that if you fill a school by choosing parents who are obsessed with their kid's education then test scores will soar. Of course, it'd be fought tooth and nail in courts by commie controlled boards of education, teacher's unions, AWFL's, etc.
Eliminate "public" (socialist) schools... and all schools will compete for students and for parent's dollars.
It's really the only answer.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor May 05, 2026, 07:54 PM
cas"No child left behind"
My nephew just took his 11 year old son out of school for three days to go turkey hunting. The school gave him a minor fuss about them being "unexcused absences", to which he responded "So what? It's not like he can be "left back", so what difference does it make?"
Besides he knew he'd learn more in those three days there than he would in school. (my nephew is on the board of education)
May 05, 2026, 10:19 PM
Rey HRHquote:
Originally posted by architect:
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Why Don’t Schools Fail Students Anymore?
It's another result of DEI. You see, students of certain ethnic groups were found to statistically be more likely to "under achieve" and get lower grades.
As much as I don’t like DEI, this isn’t a part of DEI. Schools up through universities have been failing up students long before DEI. Grade inflation as well.
It’s the American culture where education isn’t valued. In contrast, look at other countries where the scores are publicized for engineering and professional licenses. They celebrate the new graduates who get hired by the top companies. Here, what gets celebrated? Who are the top draft picks by the NFL.
It’s not just DEI; everyone needs to look at their own values and understand their values aggregate up to the level of society as a whole.
"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
May 05, 2026, 11:23 PM
sigmonkeyquote:
Originally posted by Rey HRH:... this isn’t a part of DEI. Schools up through universities have been failing up students long before DEI. ...
Marxism by any other name is Communism realized.
"the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא עוד May 06, 2026, 05:08 AM
bendableRaise your hand if you want to the time and money to do anything for anyone
that requires assistance outside the scope of
what you consider "normal ".
Yes, money is a portion of the problem.
But so is social conflicting attitudes.
Huge institutions , when they fail, fail hugely.
The bigger a school district gets , the easier it is for money to
magically evaporate.
I know of half a dozen athletically inclined kids ungraded 5th through
9th that are being groomed for college athletics programs.
Those gifted individuals are getting tutors, nutritionist ,
physical fitness training and other "stuff".
In hopes they will play volleyball, softball, b ball and football in college.
So some kids are not totally abandoned.
Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency.
Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first
May 06, 2026, 05:54 AM
Rey HRHquote:
Originally posted by sigmonkey:
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Originally posted by Rey HRH:... this isn’t a part of DEI. Schools up through universities have been failing up students long before DEI. ...
Marxism by any other name is Communism realized.
Sorry to disagree. Neither Marxism or Communism celebrates the NFL draft and downplays academic excellence as a societal norm, that's Americanism.
"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
May 06, 2026, 08:33 AM
trapper189quote:
Originally posted by tatortodd:
I'd wager a large sum that if you fill a school by choosing parents who are obsessed with their kid's education then test scores will soar.
I would not bet against you. At the top 30 universities in the country, a 7% minority group of the USA overall makes up 20% or more of the students at almost all of those universities. For example, Princton's Class of 2029 is 27% Asain American and UCLA's undergrads are 35% Asian/Pacific Islander.
Those kids earned it. They score better on the entrance exams,have better GPAs, and have more impressive extra-curriculars.
May 06, 2026, 08:42 AM
chellim1quote:
At the top 30 universities in the country, ...
Now do it at the grade school level.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor