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Amid Escalating Protests, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau Has Fled the Capital City of Ottawa

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February 21, 2022, 10:41 AM
marksman41
Amid Escalating Protests, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau Has Fled the Capital City of Ottawa
Yeah - it's disappointing when the police forget who's solidly on their side, and who supports law enforcement when the Left attacks them.

As was pointed out some posts back, history repeats itself because of human nature. No reason to think what happened in Russia or Germany in the '30's can't happen in Canada, or here, because the so-called "elites" and their lemmings never change.




February 21, 2022, 10:49 AM
SIGnified
Hey, Marxists are passionate too!

What’s that saying about absolute power?





"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty."
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February 21, 2022, 11:28 AM
sigfreund
quote:
Originally posted by SIGnified:
What’s that saying about absolute power?


I imagine you’re referring to the adage that “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” I, however, agree with what the science fiction editor (of all people), John W. Campbell, observed about The Invisible Man story: It’s not power that corrupts, but immunity. Many people such as most police officers in the U.S. have power without being corrupted by it, but that’s because they don’t have immunity for their actions. I with my guns and ability to use them have great power, but no immunity if I were to misuse them. Problems do arise, though, when people in powerful positions don’t have to answer for what they do.

Although that’s always been true throughout history, we’re seeing more examples of it recently, partly because many people who had no real power before have been given it by recent events. A public health director, for example, had no real authority to make people stop smoking or drinking gallons of sweet tea, but with the pandemic they could issue orders about quarantines, masks, vaccinations, etc., and that power went to the heads of some of them. The corruption that resulted from that power that no one could or wished to challenge has resulted in some of them wanting to maintain their orders even when they were clearly no longer valid.

The police can easily be corrupted by their usual powers if they’re given immunity for their actions by the regimes they work for such as the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Communist China (and others), and even by a “state of emergency” in places like Canada. As I keep saying, it’s just our human nature at work.




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February 21, 2022, 11:34 AM
nhracecraft
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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Remember when they were refusing to serve officers or spitting in their coffee a couple years ago here? If I was a Canadian police officer, I would never eat in public again.

Being somewhat familiar with your character/integrity, it you were a Canadian Police Officer, I expect you'd be on some sort of administrative/disciplinary leave for refusing to follow unlawful/tyrannical orders that violated the your oath and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms...Just Sayin' Wink


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February 21, 2022, 11:42 AM
Skins2881
quote:
Originally posted by nhracecraft:
quote:
Originally posted by Skins2881:
Remember when they were refusing to serve officers or spitting in their coffee a couple years ago here? If I was a Canadian police officer, I would never eat in public again.

Being somewhat familiar with your character/integrity, it you were a Canadian Police Officer, I expect you'd be on some sort of administrative/disciplinary leave for refusing to follow unlawful/tyrannical orders that violated the your oath and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms...Just Sayin' Wink


Well you got me there...

Still, apparently many did not observe whatever oaths they were sworn in with. This leaves them in a position that they are the enemy of a large percentage of the population. That trust doesn't come back quickly.



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February 21, 2022, 11:44 AM
OKCGene
Vladimir Lenin said The Goal Of Socialism Is Communism.

What we are seeing today in Ottawa is exactly this.

Total control, tyranny, persecution, government violence to people, a differing view not allowed, etc etc etc. That describes communism to a degree. Trudeau and the canadian government fits this perfectly.

Once socialism starts and people swallow the idea that it's so rosy and peachy and wonderful, it will proceed slowly to communism.

Those who were fortunate enough to be born, raised and live in America really have absolutely no idea how the rest of the world lives. Thus, the squander.
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February 21, 2022, 12:01 PM
Flash-LB
quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
It’s not power that corrupts, but immunity. Many people such as most police officers in the U.S. have power without being corrupted by it, but that’s because they don’t have immunity for their actions.


Ah, but they do have immunity for their actions, it's called Qualified Immunity.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/18...d%20from%20liability.

Qualified immunity refers to a series of legal precedents that protect government officials — including police officers — accused of violating constitutional rights.

To win a civil suit against a police officer, complainants must show that the officer violated "clearly established law," most often by pointing to factually similar previous cases. Otherwise, officers are protected from liability.

Police advocates say that qualified immunity is necessary so that police officers can do their often-dangerous jobs without fear of frivolous lawsuits.

But those in favor of criminal justice reform say the doctrine has essentially created a Catch-22. Officers are shielded from liability even when it appears they violated civil rights because there is no "previously established law" to challenge them because similar cases have not been pursued because officers are shielded from such cases.

In practice, the doctrine has shielded officers from liability in hundreds of civil cases, even when accused of destroying property, killing innocent people they mistook for suspects or stealing thousands of dollars.
February 21, 2022, 12:13 PM
sigfreund
“Qualified” immunity is just that: It is not absolute despite what critics of the principle erroneously assume (or claim). Even its most liberal application does not shield LEOs from all acts as has been demonstrated by countless court cases.




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February 21, 2022, 12:19 PM
wcb6092
Canadian MP says single mom on minimum wage has had her bank account frozen for donating $50 to Freedom Convoy: Trudeau is blasted for draconian law that 'would never have been imposed on BLM'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...-Freedom-Convoy.html

A Canadian MP says the bank account of a single mom with a minimum wage job has been frozen after she donated $50 to Freedom Convoy.

Canadian banks have been freezing the accounts and canceling credit cards of people linked to the trucker protests in accordance with the Emergencies Act, which Prime Minister Justin Trudeau invoked last week in an attempt to clear the demonstrators from Ottawa.

A single mother named only as Briane is one of those people, according to Canadian MP Mark Strahl, as concerns grow that scores of ordinary people will no longer be able to pay for food and basics if their accounts have been frozen just for making a donation.

He tweeted her story Sunday, shining a light on how her livelihood is being affected by Trudeau's orders.

'Briane is a single mom from Chilliwack working a minimum wage job. She gave $50 to the convoy when it was 100% legal. She hasn't participated in any other way. Her bank account has now been frozen. This is who Justin Trudeau is actually targeting with his Emergencies Act orders.'

Response on social media varied from those angry at the situation, stating this would have never happened to Black Lives Matter protesters, and offered to help Briane, to those who claimed Briane was fake, a sob story made up by conservatives spread fear across Canada.

'Thank you to those who have read this and offered to help someone you've never met,' Strahl tweeted. 'Shame on those who have read it and attacked someone you've never met. I will keep working with Briane to resolve this matter with her bank and will provide updates as they are made available.'

'To those of you, especially the media, demanding more details on Briane, having seen what has been said about her online today and what has been done to other convoy donors in the last weeks I am not going to help you dox her,' Strahl continued. 'I know who she is and I won't stop fighting for her.'

More at link.


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February 21, 2022, 12:24 PM
ensigmatic
This is why friends of ours in Canada, upon learning of comrade Trudeau's edict, immediately transferred all their money out of a large, national Canadian bank into a local CU that assured them they will not be cooperating with that edict.



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February 21, 2022, 12:29 PM
Mars_Attacks
There is no due process under a monarchy.
These people are merely subjects under the illusion of freedom.

They truly are the people who grinned themselves to death.


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February 21, 2022, 12:40 PM
2BobTanner
I have to wonder how the neighbors of Canadian police officers feel about seeing and hearing of these abuses.

After all, unlike military members who generally live on a military post/base, civilian police live amongst their community, shop at the same stores, worship in the same churches and synagogues, and their kids go to the same schools.

In other words, the neighbors know where the police officers live.


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February 21, 2022, 12:47 PM
darthfuster
Law enforcement in Ottawa have been shortsighted. Politicians come and go. But the public and its opinions are enduring. These jackbooted police have damaged themselves for decades…..lifetimes.



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February 21, 2022, 12:49 PM
SIGnified
quote:
Originally posted by ensigmatic:
This is why friends of ours in Canada, upon learning of comrade Trudeau's edict, immediately transferred all their money out of a large, national Canadian bank into a local CU that assured them they will not be cooperating with that edict.


I hope credit unions in the USA will act accordingly.





"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty."
~Robert A. Heinlein
February 21, 2022, 12:57 PM
Flash-LB
quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
“Qualified” immunity is just that: It is not absolute despite what critics of the principle erroneously assume (or claim). Even its most liberal application does not shield LEOs from all acts as has been demonstrated by countless court cases.


No, not all, just most. As I posted, it has gotten off LEOS who stole money and did other things. Very few are actually prosecuted.

Here's a list of the 31 Officers List of law enforcement officers convicted for an on-duty killing in the United States.

That's 31 in 49 years. Not exactly what I would call countless.
February 21, 2022, 01:00 PM
Voshterkoff
How many Americans here are rethinking their banking practices?
February 21, 2022, 01:06 PM
HRK



February 21, 2022, 01:08 PM
Bytes
quote:
Originally posted by ensigmatic:
This is why friends of ours in Canada, upon learning of comrade Trudeau's edict, immediately transferred all their money out of a large, national Canadian bank into a local CU that assured them they will not be cooperating with that edict.


Are credit unions in Canada not subject to Federal mandates? Maybe local ones aren't? I hope your friends end up being shielded from the bullshit that is going on up there. I find it unreal what I see happening Frown
February 21, 2022, 01:14 PM
wcb6092
Banishment from the Financial System: the War on Dissent



https://rumble.com/vvgyol-bani...-war-on-dissent.html


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February 21, 2022, 02:23 PM
Bytes
quote:
Originally posted by wcb6092:
Banishment from the Financial System: the War on Dissent


Watched the entire video, thanks for posting WCB. Very, very scary. Tech is turning into a very large problem everywhere