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So I cloned my HDD to a SSD.
The clone went well I plugged the power and SATA cable that were into the HDD to the SSD.
Runs just fine off the SSD and is super fast which is what I was wanting.

I plugged in new power and SATA to the old HDD so I can format that drive and have my cameras constantly record to that drive instead of the SSD.

I boot the computer and it runs fine off the SSD but it does not recognize the HDD anywhere I can find.

I open up disk management and just see the SSD.

I am guessing I have to tell the computer to look for the HDD but don’t know how to do that.


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On my current motherboard when I plug in the second M.2 drive it disables one of the SATA ports. Something to do with there only being so many PCI lanes or busses. Do you have something installed that takes away one of the SATA ports?
 
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Have you gone into the Bios to see if something needs to be enabled in there? I haven't ever had to do that for a second hard drive but it would still be something to check.
 
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On my current motherboard when I plug in the second M.2 drive it disables one of the SATA ports. Something to do with there only being so many PCI lanes or busses. Do you have something installed that takes away one of the SATA ports?


This computer has nothing but motherboard, RAM, and now to hard drives.
Nothing in the PCI or other slots.

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Originally posted by Paten:
Have you gone into the Bios to see if something needs to be enabled in there? I haven't ever had to do that for a second hard drive but it would still be something to check.


Don’t know how to do that. I figure I have to turn it on or tell the computer to look for it.

It did the same when I plugged the fresh SSD into it before I cloned it.

I plugged the fresh SSD into a USB adapter and it recognized it right away when plugged in and cloned the original.


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Yes, check your boot order in the BIOS and if it’s showing up there.

There is no standard way to get into your computer’s BIOS, you have to look it up by make/manufacturer, usually it’s hitting an F-key a shitload of times during the boot up process.


 
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It's been over 15 years since I built my last computer. It's all laptops for me now. I suggest you try searching for youtube videos for "second hard drive not detected" to maybe get some more up to date ideas.
 
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Enter BIOS. Check under the miscellaneous section for the AHCI settings. Both drives should be listed.
 
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If you have a third-party disk drive controller card, you might also have a utility that can give you insight into how the hardware might appear to the OS.

Otherwise, I'd boot a Linux distribution off a thumb drive and take a look with its disk drive configurator, and a look at the boot probe messages.
 
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Enter BIOS. Check under the miscellaneous section for the AHCI settings. Both drives should be listed.


In the BIOS both are listed as bootable options with the SSD chosen as the boot drive.

In the AHCI settings they are both visible as well but both show their hot plug (no clue what that means) is disabled.



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Originally posted by architect:
If you have a third-party disk drive controller card, you might also have a utility that can give you insight into how the hardware might appear to the OS.

Otherwise, I'd boot a Linux distribution off a thumb drive and take a look with its disk drive configurator, and a look at the boot probe messages.


Might have missed the part about computer moron in the thread title.
No idea what any of that means.


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Try another sata port on your mobo.




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Had this exact same problem after replacing my boot HD with a new SSD and adding a big HD for backups. Would NOT recognize the second drive. This in Win10 FWIW.

The solution was weird but it worked:
Boot Mode: UEFI with Secure Boot disabled



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Check your bios to see if the drive is recognized. If it is and Windows doesn't see it, you need to create a new partition and format it. You say Disk Management can't see it leads me to believe that the bios isn't registering it.

Try using a different SATA port and a different cable. Sounds redundant but I've found that sometimes the simplest fix is the one we skip because "it should work."

If a new port and cable doesn't register it, now you have to do some research and figure out why the bios isn't registering it. Hopefully someone with your motherboard had the same issue and did all the troubleshooting for you. There's at least 3+ different things that can be done in the BIOS so before you start changing settings I recommend doing the research first. Good luck.
 
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Originally posted by xantom:
Try another sata port on your mobo.


New cables and cable I know works because it boots the other drive tried in all other SATA ports.
It being being read in the BIOS the WDC drive moves with the SATA port.
If I choose the HDD from the boot drive options in the BIOS it boots just fine but also then the SSD is no longer visible.


quote:
Originally posted by bald1:
Had this exact same problem after replacing my boot HD with a new SSD and adding a big HD for backups. Would NOT recognize the second drive. This in Win10 FWIW.

The solution was weird but it worked:
Boot Mode: UEFI with Secure Boot disabled


I could not find a way to disable the secure boot mode

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Originally posted by Hildur:
Check your bios to see if the drive is recognized. If it is and Windows doesn't see it, you need to create a new partition and format it. You say Disk Management can't see it leads me to believe that the bios isn't registering it.

Try using a different SATA port and a different cable. Sounds redundant but I've found that sometimes the simplest fix is the one we skip because "it should work."

If a new port and cable doesn't register it, now you have to do some research and figure out why the bios isn't registering it. Hopefully someone with your motherboard had the same issue and did all the troubleshooting for you. There's at least 3+ different things that can be done in the BIOS so before you start changing settings I recommend doing the research first. Good luck.


BIOS is clearly seeing the drive I see it on the SATA drive options and it moves ports every time I move the cable to a different port. I can boot from it choosing it in the BIOS.

But when I start the computer and open disk management in Windows it is not there.



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Does it show up in Device Manager?
I assumed you formatted your HDD, but if you can boot from it then I assumed wrong. I would format it if the following doesn't work.

Put your SSD in the first SATA port and unplug the HDD. Boot to Windows and make sure the drive is recognized as your C: drive.

Power off and plug in your HDD in the next SATA port. Go into BIOS and the drive order should have the SSD first followed by your HDD. Go into Windows and see if it is recognized as your D: drive.
 
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Maybe try 'DISKPART' from the C prompt (C:\) using the RUN Command dialog, and see if it shows up there...

DISKPART> list disk

DISKPART> select disk 1

DISKPART> clean

After that it should show up in Disk Management. From there you 'should' be able to create a simple volume and format it. You 'should' be able to do this regardless of whether it's connected internally via an available SATA Port, or externally using the USB adapter.

If you use DISKPART, be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN you know which Disk is which, as you cannot recover from doing this to the wrong drive. If you want to be thorough, you can delete partitions on the HDD, prior to the 'clean' command.


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You posted earlier that you had a USB adapter for your SSD. Did you try using it on the other drive to see if windows would recognize it?

If you have all your data off the drive you are going to want to format it and I'd do it via USB if you can. It's possible that the boot sector is throwing off Window's ability to recognize the drive even though bios is picking it up. Using the USB adapter may circumvent that issue as the drivers for the drive via USB are recognized by Windows whereas the boot sector are only recognized by Windows when it is booted from that drive.
 
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Originally posted by Black92LX:

quote:
Originally posted by bald1:
Had this exact same problem after replacing my boot HD with a new SSD and adding a big HD for backups. Would NOT recognize the second drive. This in Win10 FWIW.

The solution was weird but it worked:
Boot Mode: UEFI with Secure Boot disabled


I could not find a way to disable the secure boot mode



You have to do it with your BIOS settings. Search with this "disable the secure boot mode in bios." And if it doesn't solve your issue you can easily reverse the setting change.



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Took the boys to lunch came back and it is now recognizing the drive.
Not sure what the deal is/was. But it is now showing up. I was able to format the drive and have it set as my storage drive for my camera software.

Hopefully it stays that way.


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Took the boys to lunch came back and it is now recognizing the drive.
Not sure what the deal is/was. But it is now showing up. I was able to format the drive and have it set as my storage drive for my camera software.

Hopefully it stays that way.




Ahh yes, the classic "it just starting working later" fix. Back in high school I had built and troubleshot computers for local businesses. Back then there were quite a few instances where I couldn't solve the problem that night but the next day when I went to pick up where I left off, the problem resolved itself. It was frustrating as heck when the owner of the company stood over my shoulder asking what caused the problem and how I fixed it and I didn't have an answer other than "I let it sit overnight." Glad to see that fix still works.
 
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Years ago I installed a 2nd hard drive in my computer... I was amazed at how easy it was then when I rebooted the new har drive did not show... finally went tot he trouble shooting section of the instructions and was pleased to see the first item listed was computer does not recognize the hard drive.. they then listed the solution, and you can't make this up... they had a special software driver program you could install on your computer so it will recognize the new hard drive and for your convince it was on the new hard drive.....

It is one of the numerous times I realized that most of these super smart computer people are not equipped to actually function in the real world.


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