http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/23/...ion-vance/index.html

Take a look at paragraph 4. That's EXACTLY what Schumer, et al try to do every time they introduce more restrictive laws.

Very bizarre logic!

As a resident of Arizona, I am continually amazed at these dire predictions of doom, gloom and blood running in the streets if national reciprocity becomes law. The ISIS spin is a new one to me though. Here, as long as a person is 21 and not prohibited from owning firearms,one can just stick a pistol in one's pocket, carry a long gun,etc. if so inclined. Folks out front of the Trump rally last night could, some reportedly did, carry firearms. No ISIS attacks or shootouts as far as I can determine.

Propaganda makes my brain hurt!

vance is either ignorant or mendacious or both. the quickest for-instance is his harping on unlicensed persons carrying under their states not having a license requirement. reciprocation means your license is valid anywhere, it doesn't mean you can reciprocate your unlicensed status to new york and he either knows or should know that.

there is fail throughout the article, more accurately filed under agitprop, not article though.

so, ignorant or mendacious; so many choices.

Utter horseshit!

So CNN, via Fareed Zakari, quoting an anti-gun professor, on a study that hasn't even been published and examined for accuracy, is supposed to convince me of something? This whole piece stank to high heaven from the beginning to the end.

Just more fake news by a fake news organization via a fake journalist.

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...Simply put, this means that the gun laws of Arkansas, for example, could be forced upon New York by federal mandate. ...

So, State's Rights are good when a liberal fucktard wants to control people via an overpowering government, you know, like a slave, but when other's wish to have States Right's to be free from that controlling government, it is racist?

Suck on it, bitch.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

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...Simply put, this means that the gun laws of Arkansas, for example, could be forced upon New York by federal mandate. ...

So, State's Rights are good when a liberal fucktard wants to control people via an overpowering government, you know, like a slave, but when other's wish to have States Right's to be free from that controlling government, it is racist?

Suck on it, bitch.

And so it begins... The Left is starting this howling. Could they be angling to make sure if there's going to be a Federal law that grants riprocity, that they get a say in who gets to carry? Yes, they will try and if the Federal government gets to play in this basic right, well we all know what happens when the Fed puts their fingers in something. Think healthcare.

Yep.

As long as there has been discussion of "all these United States" blanket carry laws, I have been against it, for the very reason, that if the Fed.Gov believes it has "granted" us something, that vehicle can be used to run over our rights, and us along with them if come "crazy driver" gets behind the wheel.

And if you want a definition of crazy, for starters, I give you...

Nancy Pelosi
Maxine Waters
Hillary Clinton
Bernie Sanders


and there are many others.

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Originally posted by jbcummings:
And so it begins... The Left is starting this howling. Could they be angling to make sure if there's going to be a Federal law that grants riprocity, that they get a say in who gets to carry? Yes, they will try and if the Federal government gets to play in this basic right, well we all know what happens when the Fed puts their fingers in something. Think healthcare.

This is what worries me. The Feds eventually destroy everything they touch. Maybe we should pass a Constitutional amendment to say that our rights shall not be infringed. Pretty radical I know.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If cops are able to have that reciprocity then I should be able to as well.

I (and many of us here) have far more training and experience with firearms than the vast majority of cops in this country, yet my rights are limited. It ain't right.

I support the legislation 150%.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
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I (and many of us here) have far more training and experience with firearms than the vast majority of cops in this country, yet my rights are limited. It ain't right.

I support the legislation 150%.

I agree with you that it ain't right, but I could not support legislation that gets the Fed into the picture. I'd rather live with my limited rights in my state than have the ability, that I might not need, and have the Feds involved. They will compromise to sell the legislation to other congress men and we will be the worse for it while they continue to draw their salaries and pretend to be our representatives.

I won't step foot in NY. Hope that puts his mind at ease.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
So CNN, via Fareed Zakari, quoting an anti-gun professor, on a study that hasn't even been published and examined for accuracy, is supposed to convince me of something? This whole piece stank to high heaven from the beginning to the end.

Just more fake news by a fake news organization via a fake journalist.

Cyrus Vance jr is the district attorney for New York county, which is Manhattan. He's a lot more dangerous than your average college professor.

I think the Congress should stay out of this and let the states make reciprocal agreements between themselves as they have been doing. Florida currently has reciprocal agreement with 35 states. I wish that were 50 plus the territories but I don't really want to travel to the states that won't reciprocate with my state anyway.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
I think the Congress should stay out of this and let the states make reciprocal agreements between themselves as they have been doing.

I am feeling the same way. I'd prefer to have the Feds less involved in most aspects of our lives and less involved in taxation. If NY and CA want to tax themselves into liberal oblivion, go for it.

Why we need more than the 2A is really the issue. Should be able to carry open or concealed any time, anywhere in this great nation. More laws, more restriction.

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Originally posted by Joe123:
Why we need more than the 2A is really the issue. Should be able to carry open or concealed any time, anywhere in this great nation. More laws, more restriction.

That's a fantasy that none of us living today will ever see. Every time we try to "standardize" laws, the result is more restrictions.

So, gay marriage is a civil right according to liberals. And all those gay marriages that weren't recognized outside of the state issuing the license was a civil rights violation. So all states are forced to accept those marriages because it is a civil right. Now we have the 2A declared a civil right under Heller. It is actually in the Bill of Rights as opposed to gay marriage. We need to ram reciprocity thru just like the gay marriage thing was rammed down America's gullet. A right is a right or it really isn't a right. It works in every state or it really doesn't work at all.