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Does a backup Air Force One always follow the President? Trump's in Ohio so one is staged at a Michigan AFB. | ||
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| His diet consists of black coffee, and sarcasm.  |
I believe so. There are also identically painted, but not equipped, aircraft to act as decoys. | |||
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Never heard of decoys, but I believe there's a second relatively close by. Not thinking of the "Doomsday" planes by chance? | |||
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semi-reformed sailor |
couldn't they just toss him into a two seater F16 and race fast and furious to his destination.... smashing windows and breaking the sound barrier all the way?? it's a military plane and armed, sooooooo "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Probably on a trip |
It depends. I flew a lot of Phoenix Banner support missions carrying the limos, comm vans, Secret Service people, etc all around the world. There is always a backup airplane with a complete set of support. Sometimes it is another 747 - sometimes it is a Gulfstream or a 757. Depends on the situation. As for decoy aircraft, the only time I saw that was with the helicopters. There will usually be 4 helicopters that depart the airfield - one with the President, one escort and another flight of two that are the decoys. The logistics involved in moving the POTUS around are truly mind-boggling. This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears above ground he is a protector. Plato | |||
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Coin Sniper |
Maybe they do..  Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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A Grateful American |
Nope. Have to put him in a T-37. So he can Tweet... "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Character, above all else |
Bah da BOOM! "The Truth, when first uttered, is always considered heresy." | |||
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| Probably on a trip |
Awesomesauce, this is. This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears above ground he is a protector. Plato | |||
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| Just for the hell of it  |
I've talked to some of the guys who end up on those flight to get vehicles to sites. The amount of gear is insane. _____________________________________ Because in the end, you won’t remember the time you spent working in the office or mowing your lawn. Climb that goddamn mountain. Jack Kerouac | |||
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Armed and Gregarious |
Air Force One is a callsign, not an aircraft. If the President takes a ride in the backseat of an F-15, that would be Air Force One, as that callsign follows the President, not the plane. ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
Even in a civilian Cessna 172? What about a hot air balloon? I wonder how far it extends. | |||
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| Just for the hell of it |
Any airplane POTUS is in takes the call sign Air Force One. Any helicopter is Marnie One. So yes if POTUS was in a Cessna it would take the call sign. Hot air balloon I'm not sure about. Airforce One is a call sign not a plane. Sure we think of those 747 painted in the blue and white with the seal as Air Force One but really Air Force One is a call sign. _____________________________________ Because in the end, you won’t remember the time you spent working in the office or mowing your lawn. Climb that goddamn mountain. Jack Kerouac | |||
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| You're going to feel a little pressure... |
Okay, I'll bite. What does this mean? Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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| sick puppy |
the plane is called a tweet.   I lol'd ____________________________ While you may be able to get away with bottom shelf whiskey, stay the hell away from bottom shelf tequila. - FishOn | |||
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The Nat Geo or Discovery special I watched a few years ago showed both 747 nose to nose in a hangar - at Langley I believe. I believe they are equally equipped and rotated. The non-Air Force One travels (perhaps not domestically) to nearby airfields as backup. My friend flew the C5 during Bush2 years. He would occasionally haul USSS equipment around for advance setup. The equipment and logistics required for POTUS is insane. P229 | |||
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| Armed and Gregarious |
It only extends to USAF aircraft, flown by USAF aircrew. Hence the "Air Force" portion of the callsign. When it's the VP they use Air Force Two as a callsign. If they fly on a Marine aircraft, the callsign is Marine One for the President. ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive. |
^ now that you mention it, that seems obvious.  | |||
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Official Space Nerd |
It only extends to USAF aircraft, flown by USAF aircrew. Hence the "Air Force" portion of the callsign. When it's the VP they use Air Force Two as a callsign. If they fly on a Marine aircraft, the callsign is Marine One for the President.[/QUOTE] Don't forget "Navy One" when Bush jr flew onto the USS Abraham Lincoln for his "Mission Accomplished" visit. . . There are two VC-25s; the presidential 747s. Most people just call them "AF1" for the sake of simplicity. I have a really good book about presidential aircraft. There were several dozen aircraft the president has flown on that were known as "AF1." I think the first 'regular' AF1 was FDR's C-54. It had an elevator installed so he wasn't photographed or seen being carried up the staircase into the plane (not a very good image for a head of state). Many of these aircraft are on display at the US Air Force Museum in Dayton. It was cool walking through SAM 26000 and to see where they put Kennedy's coffin after the Dallas shooting. There were a variety of choppers, 4-engine piston planes (C-54, Constellations), the large trans-continental jets (707's), and several smaller Gulfstream-sized planes that presidents used. As far as backups go, the book stated there was a fleet of jets that shadowed the President during the Cold War. They were very secret, and nobody officially would talk about them or even acknowledge them. I think they were 'bug-out' planes; smaller ones that could use more runways than a 707/747, were nuclear-hardened, relatively innocuous to blend in better, had a lot of comm equipment, and were designed to get the POTUS out of Dodge if the bombs started flying. Maybe this is what you saw. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
One of the 707s is at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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