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Armed and Gregarious |
I am seeking some more advice from you all. I'm thinking of getting some exterior cameras to monitor things around the house, including recording, and would also like to include a video doorbell, (so that I can dismiss offensive solicitors without actually walking to the door!) I do not need/want a system monitored by an "alarm" company. I've been looking at the Ring system, with doorbell (https://shop.ring.com/collections/video-doorbells//products/video-doorbell-2), and floodlights (https://shop.ring.com/products/floodlight-cam). Knowing it all works on one system, with "cloud" recording is appealing. However, I'm open to suggestions for better, and possibly less expensive set ups. Thanks in advance for your help. ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | ||
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NRA Life Member "Do what you can, with what you have, where you are." Teddy Roosevelt | |||
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I have Ring doorbells front and rear. Overall the system work pretty well but the elephant in the room is the response time. Basically with all the network back and forth you won't be able to answer a doorbell ring fast enough to actually talk to the person because folks don't just wait around at a doorbell for 2 to 3 minutes. There is also a delay in pulling up video from the motion controlled cameras also due to network delays. BTW, I have Fibre for my net connection that is listed at 6gb up and down. However it's actual performance is usually around 1-2 gb due to network capacity issues. If we ever have a network that operates at a steady 60 gb or more I would expect these delay issues to go away. So I don't blame Ring for the delays, it's all those OTHER people using the internet that clogs things up. So, for me it's Facebook's fault. I've stopped counting. | |||
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I had a ring camera for the front door. Used it for a year. Response time was slow and didn’t care for the monthly fee for storing my image captures. Switched to Wyze system. Much better ______________________________________________ Life is short. It’s shorter with the wrong gun… | |||
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| Rail-less and Tail-less |
I have the ring Pro and floodlights and my response time is fine. I answer doorbells all the time...there’s maybe a 1-2 second delay but definitely not minutes. I spoke to a neighbor on it just yesterday. _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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I had original Ring and was unhappy with the delay in sensing motion, starting to record, connect. Ring Pro solved that, seems to be always recording so there is a buffer of the last 5-10 seconds now when motion is tripped I see approach to door instead of the persons back walking away. As far as answering remotely, both did that fine. I have a Ring battery operated spotlight cam as well, happy with both. Not sure if there is a better AND cheaper option out there. What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???  | |||
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I have the Ring Pro doorbell and the Ring Spotlight wired cam. I have been happy with both, but they are certainly not perfect without a good wireless network. I needed a wifi extender in order to get a good signal for the spotlight cam. I highly recommend this one if you need. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/pr...00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 | |||
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Ring pro doorbell in the front and Ring floodlight on the back patio. I'm satisfied. I had to upgrade the transformer on my doorbell to get enough voltage to the doorbell cam, but otherwise it was plug and play. I've got solid wifi performance to both locations and don't experience any prohibitive delays. | |||
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| Stupid Allergy  |
Another positive plug for Ring here. I’ve gone through about 5 different alarm/camera systems over the past three years. Nest sucked. Ring has been the best by far, but as mentioned, your internet connection must be solid. "Attack life, it's going to kill you anyway." Steve McQueen... | |||
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| Raised Hands Surround Us Three Nails To Protect Us  |
How savvy are you?? I use a BlueIris program running on a computer one can also use an NVR. You have a much wider array of camera options except for doorbells to which you are limited. I have a mix of Foscam, Dlink, Amcrest, Dahua cameras and a Nelly’s Doorbell. I get instant text and email alerts, remote viewing from my devices. All with no monthly fee. Cameras are far superior to Nest and Arlo as you have tons of options from manufactures to use on the system. Far superior control of the cameras their recording and triggers etc. The Arlo and Ring systems have their place though Arlo does not have a doorbell. They are not as good for detail and lots of recording. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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I have the Arlo system integrated with the Arlo lights. This is a great set up. I have the lights set up to detect motion and when they do the camera in that area will go off. The camera records for about two minutes. I also am running a dedicated DVR which is always recording. I just had some blind spots and the Arlos fit the bill to fill those. Batteries are lasting me about 6 months each even in the high traffic areas. In war, truth is the first casualty. Aeschylus Greek tragic dramatist (525 BC - 456 BC) | |||
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I have the Ring Pro at the front, and Ring Spotlight cams at the side and rear. I also have the Ring Alarm. I like that I get monitoring and video in one all inclusive fee that is lower that most other monitoring alone. I had a Gen 1 Ring Pro and it would have latency issues, and would take a long time before the video would load for me to answer the door. I recently called to see if getting an upgraded power supply would help, and they sent me a new Gen 3(?) Ring Pro (gratis). It works much better now. I do recommend getting hard wired cameras, as it allows the camera to continuously buffer video and maintain a network connection. Ring also adds features now and then. They recently added a feature where triggering the alarm will also activate the recording feature on all cameras, which I thought is good. | |||
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I agree. BlueIris is a great program and I use it with 5 Amcrest cameras. These are all wifi so all I need is power to run them. I use Christmas Light plugs on my soffits to power my outdoor cameras. Check out Blink cameras too. My son uses these and they are battery powered. They come in both indoor and outdoor varieties. Mike I'm sorry if I hurt you feelings when I called you stupid - I thought you already knew - Unknown ................................... When you have no future, you live in the past. " Sycamore Row" by John Grisham | |||
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Agree with Blue Iris, but it's kind of a do it yourself solution that you need to learn and set up. the cams on this seller's page have been well vetted for the mid-price range in terms of performance and security issues, and the ability to upgrade firmware. you won't go wrong with anything from this seller: IP Cam Talk https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=b...keywords=IP+Cam+Talk . | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
Ring sucks, my dog alerts me before the motion sensors pick up anyone coming to the door, delay from the upload (100mbs service) is a problem with Rings servers. It won't matter what speed your IP runs, if you hit their network at the wrong moment it times out. Interesting comment on Ring Servers Those commercials where people are talking to live people at the door are misrepresentations. I'd say 1 in 50 times that happens. The only time the motion works is when you don't want it to like picking up ghosts at 1 am, we had to set a rule to kill off motion from 1 am to 5 am from the faulty alerts. Just had an amazon package delivered, the first alert was the ring, it never picked up the delivery person (this is normal) coming up the drive, selecting the ring app to see who rung it results in "no connection' or when it's up the person is gone. They also have/had problem with their software leaving it open to hackers... Ring Hack Article | |||
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| I got a Million of 'em! |
Why do you say Nest sucked? I just installed two Nest thermostats and have been very impressed with them and was thinking about getting other Nest devices to integrate. | |||
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| Thank you Very little |
Some folks with good results may have the cameras/doorbell pro's that buffer constantly, the non pro units don't, and have to reach out over your wifi/internet to Rings servers, then send down a notice to your phone, on which you have to wait for the app to initialize as well as the video feed to start. Any system that uses this tech is going to be slow. We don't have a wired doorbell because the old doorbell is part of an intercom system. To change I would have to go into the attic, drilling holes, pulling cable a real PIA. With Ring/Nest cloud based systems you are at the mercy of wifi signal, upload speeds and the hosts servers response times. I'll be replacing the Ring with a wired system that isn't tied to a host as was suggested above. My daughter has a doorbell from her security system at ADT with cameras and she gets notices and video quickly, again she has a wired doorbell as well. | |||
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| Stupid Allergy |
Take it all with a grain of salt... HRK thinks Ring sucks, it works great for me and I’ve been through 5 different systems. Nest for me sucked...the cameras and their security system. No issues with an old thermostat. Their cameras *constantly* lost connection and I could never view live feed. With my new Ring setup, live feed pops up in 3-4 seconds.
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| Thank you Very little |
To quantify I don't hate the Ring, since I still have it and use it, my posts are bias against not just ring but cloud based video services. However the shortfalls should be discussed, From what I read the Pro version remedies a lot of the non Pro version Rings connectivity issues however it's not an option due to the lack of hard wires for me. It may work great for others, but the OP needs to know what to look out for with any cloud based doorbells. 1) Need strong reliable consistent WiFi signal 2) Needs to be hard wired so you can get Pro 3) Pro version which is more than double the cost of the base Ring unit. 4) you may need to increase your internet connection speed to get reliable response. 5) if you have a slower smart phone you may have a long delay while the app loads. 6) you will have to subscribe to have your videos available for review, which means that if you don't get real time view of motion/doorbell live, you won't be able to see what happened, ever without the subscription. If you have any issues such as internet speed or wifi signal issues you need to fix them first, but unless you run the pro it's highly likely you'll see slow response times, with any cloud based server video application. | |||
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This is a huge subject area and not for the casual user. I started out with an exceptionally basic system that has since morphed into something totally unexpected. My first suggestion is to take a look at the following web site: https://ipcamtalk.com/ Read the Wiki and Cliff Notes to better understand what might be accomplished and give you ideas as to what you might need/desire. Do not go with paid monitoring, get Blue Iris (be aware the learning curve is a bit steep) if you computer is up for it. | |||
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