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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
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Sometimes the need or desire to strike has absolutely NOTHING to do with pay or benefits. Most of the time, it deals with the vague and debatable contract language pertaining to work rules and how the company takes advantage of those gray and vague areas to their EXTREME advantage. Language such as, "this or this can be done ONLY WHEN FEASIBLE". Well the company/management will ALWAYS deem it feasible IF AND WHEN it benefits THEM. Those contract provisions written in such a manner to benefit the worker/employee are NEVER...NEVER...honored.

My question is, if the drivers/truckers go on strike, will the pilots honor that strike and refuse to load/ship containers on their aircraft delivered to the loading area by scabs?

Of course, JMHO after being in the airline industry of 18 years dealing with unions, but WTH do I know??

Work rules are a double edged sword with the advantage usually going to the unions. Company managers fear when unions start "working to the rules." When union workers start working to the rules, things grind to a halt fairly quickly. People take a lot of things for granted or assume a lot when making rules for people much like a new programmer thinks a program he just wrote is going to work flawlessly the first time it's ran.

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Originally posted by braillediver:
Maybe the Amazon drivers will be paying attention.

The 'Amazon drivers' don't work for Amazon...

Are they 1099 or, they work for a contracted carrier that exclusively 'delivers' for Amazon?


I did the UPS load/unload thing in college for 6-months; saw the sawhorse advertising the higher than pay. Learned that you only get paid for what you work, your work is roughly 4-hours/day only AND your first 4-months paychecks included Teamster initiation dues. Got a lesson in organized labor.

I was a Teamster for 35 years. They never did much of anything for me,
except collecting dues from me of course.

Wash, rinse, repeat...

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...940034944#2940034944

There is another even larger transportation strike looming at nation’s freight railroads. May occur as early as Sept 16. Railroads currently handle 30% of all freight. There is not spare capacity in trucking. This may require act of congress to resolve. Doubtful they could agree to anything that quickly.

Link

I’m not going to deny that some union employees take advantage of grey areas because some do. But having been a Teamster for over 20 years I’ve seen the kind of shit that employers try to get away with and I’m convinced that unions are useful. They prevent management from being the slimy ones.
Im tired of the one sided attitudes on this subject. Let’s be honest guys, it doesn’t matter if it’s management or labor, someone will always try to take advantage.

Heard a story on the Daily Wire's Morning Wire that two of the larges railroad unions could strike soon too. They estimate the cost would be a billion dollars a day to the economy. Do it. Crash the supply chain again. Right before the holiday season you bunch of dipshits. You have no idea the hell that will rain down on you. I triple dog dare you.

Oh they know. They know exactly but they don’t care. They have a higher objective.

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Originally posted by spunk639:
A strike will give Obama/Biden an opportunity to take control of private industry as an essential service, bring private business under government control. Supply chain, National Security, delivery of essential goods, will give the meat puppet an excuse to begin controlling private business. Everything run by the state, long range goal.

Care to place a bet on that? You really think a President is going to nationalize a business like UPS, even for a short term?

95k a year for delivery drivers?
You gotta be shitting me

There are so many shitty people working as delivery drivers for ups simply because they can't fire them because of union this and union that.
I hope they strike and ups fills the spots with regular employees who have to actually perform .

For those who have not driven for UPS, it is back breaking work such that your knees and back are pretty much shot by age 40. I am not saying they deserve the pay, just take a look at the job and the demands. Longshoremen make equivalent wages with less stress on their bodies.

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Longshoremen make equivalent wages with less stress on their bodies.

Well, if that's an issue for someone who works for UPS, they are free to quit and get a longshormans card and job...

[/sarcasm ON]. Chalk up “another resounding success” to the Biden Administration. It just keeps getting better and better on a daily basis. [\sarcasm OFF]

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...rail-strike-n2613109

Amtrak Cancels Long-Distance Service Over Looming Rail Strike
Spencer Brown

Say a prayer for Joe Biden and all his conductor friends working at Amtrak because, starting on Thursday, all long-distance passenger rail service has been canceled over fears of a rail strike that will come on Friday if contract negotiations in the meantime remain unsuccessful. Build back better?

The news that all long-distance train service would be halted followed Amtrak's cancelation of some routes between Chicago and California earlier this week. The new routes that are canceled starting Thursday morning include Amtrak's Coast Starlight route from Seattle to Los Angeles, Lake Shore Limited from New York to Chicago, Sunset Limited from New Orleans to Los Angeles, Silver Star from New York to Miami, and Texas Eagle from Chicago to Los Angeles. Essentially, as Amtrak explained, they won't be running any more trains this week unless they "can ensure will have enough time to reach their final destinations by 12:01 a.m. on Friday."

Even though Amtrak employees aren't involved in the contract dispute, most of Amtrak's trains operate on track owned and operated by freight companies — the same ones staring down the barrel of a strike if contracts aren't agreed upon by Friday's deadline. Some trains, such as those operating on the track Amtrak owns between New York City and Washington, DC, will continue to operate even if negotiations aren't successful.

In a statement, Amtrak said it remains "hopeful that parties will reach a resolution" but "has now begun phased adjustments to our service in preparation for a possible freight rail service interruption later this week." Not exactly a vote of confidence in the ability of the involved parties to come to a satisfactory agreement in time to avert a strike.

Emerging impacts of potential rail shutdown:
- Amtrak cancels long-distance trips
- Ammonia, fertilizer, ag products pulled from trains
- Price of ethanol, other products soars
- Grain shipments could stop tomorrow

“If rail shuts down, our entire agricultural system shuts down"

As Townhall reported, several freight companies have already begun suspending transport of vital goods such as grain and fertilizer — two things that are about to hit peak transport demand as farmers harvest their crops and prepare their fields for the next planting.

Meanwhile, as Townhall reported on Tuesday, the White House has... no real plan. All they had to say was that the Biden administration, including Secretaries Buttigieg, and Vilsack, have been working since "early spring" to avoid the looming strike and resulting rail shutdown that is now just hours away. Biden's "contingency" if the strike occurs is, apparently, to put all rail freight onto other modes of transportation — which won't actually stop the shutdown from becoming another Biden crisis just before the midterms.

Amtrak's decision is just the latest that suggests hope is dwindling for a deal to avert the strike — one that will see 12 major rail worker unions leave the job for an indefinite period of time.

Does that shut down coal as well, I imagine it would. Turn out the light kind of stuff in some parts of the country

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Well, if that's an issue for someone who works for UPS, they are free to quit and get a longshormans card and job...

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Many of them do. It is a free country. Of course on the East Coast you need connections to get the job, paticularly NY/NJ.

Worked through many UPS strikes over the years in NJ. Union pickets while they go back and forth. Had some good BBQ's. In the end they are lucky to break even.

Back then the union didn't do much for labor. A friend got fired for smoking a joint on his break, As he was the only mechanic who could keep the equipment running, upper management was not happy with the loss prevention guy.

But the union didn't lift a finger to help and he left. The LP guy left soon after.

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Did any SCABS cross the picket lines??

I thought there were rules about rail strikes, as it’s a vital industry?

As for the fellow getting intoxicated, while working with tools, and, presumably, driving, of course he got fired.

Tolerating that kind of behavior gets your insurance coverage revoked/gets men killed.

Unions that strike to interfere with ANY commerce should be charged under RICO statutes.

Every last member.