It looks like a giant dick.

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Originally posted by mark60:
My sub didn't have a window and we were, for the most part, professionals. I do hope they're found safely but it doesn't look too good so far.

The fact that they don't even know where the sub is yet...

Yeah, not good.

It has 96 hours of oxygen, food and water.

They don't know where it's at and it will take time to locate in the debris field and even if found within the 96 hours, how do they tether it? They need another ship with a submersible that can go down and hook it up.

Assuming there wasn't a implosion already, the P8 out of Nova Scotia can drop sonar buoys to listen for that and there's no word that they heard one.

There are a couple of quick possibilities:

Crushed but that seems less likely since it was designed for deeper depths.

Electrical problem which means they are in the dark, can't communicate and can't move. They will die, if they haven't already.

It's possible that they are caught up in the wreckage that suggests they have communication and they don't.

Even if they knew with 100% certainty the crew was alive, they have no possible way to get another submersible out there and deployed to attach a tether. You can't fly one out there and drop it off and it needs a mother ship to work. The hours are against a rescue and this is likely a recovery.

It was reported missing yesterday.

According to the company’s website, it is capable of speeds up to 3mph, it has all sorts of hull monitoring sensors, and it’s supposed to be capable of surfacing automatically if there’s a problem. It was also supposed to be able to reach the Titanic in 90 minutes, the are saying the lost contact at 105 minutes, so it was probably close to the bottom when it failed to make contact.

I do wonder what the possible rescue options are in the time frame available. Is there any vessel out there that even has the capability of lower 2.5 miles of cable and hauling it back in?

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Lol. Come on. Comparing that to getting on a cruise ship is way beyond apples to oranges. Realistically if you are going to die on a cruise ship it’s due to a food induced heart attack. Or shit yourself to death.

The passengers on the Titanic and Costa Concordia would tend to disagree with you.

I'll stay on land. Thank you.

I don't think I've read that there are any ships in the area that are capable of dropping and attaching a cable.

I believe both the USCG and Canadian CG said they don't have anything on scene with those capabilities.

For discussion's sake, assuming they are alive and sitting in the dark, it's bordering on being nearly impossible to rescue them. They don't even know where they are. The vessel is supposed to broadcast back up to the mother-ship every 15 minutes so perhaps they have a pretty good idea where to look.

Just looks grim, at least to me.

Don’t go on cruises. I don’t care. Stop pretending though like people are dying by scores on Royal Caribbean. Or Carnival. Or Disney. Or Norwegian. Or whatever, out of American ports. Please enlighten us on the last disaster off American shores. You are talking a bunch of coulda’s and shoulda’s.

Either way no sane person makes the leap from diving in a privately owned mini sub nearly two and a half miles below the surface to taking a cruise to the Bahamas. Be real. Apples and hydraulic fluid. Not even close.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Put me squarely in the "hell no" camp. I do not enjoy deep water, and there isn't enough money in the world to stick me in what amounts to a cigar tube with a window on it with four strangers and go down to see an ocean-floor graveyard for 1,500 people. Probably five more now. At that depth, it would have been instantaneous.

I'm with you. The thought of being out on the ocean out of sight of land freaks me out. Being under it freaks me out more. No way in hell would I ever do something like this, even if you paid me.

Barring some sort of miraculous recovery, I hope you are correct that death came instantly. That beats the hell out of slowly freezing or suffocating in a tiny steel tube under 12,000 feet of water in the middle of a sub-oceanic graveyard .

With this being out in international waters, who is the governing authority? To give tourists rides on this thing, was the company held to any standard? I'm amazed they don't have a contingency for this type of episode.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Put me squarely in the "hell no" camp. I do not enjoy deep water, and there isn't enough money in the world to stick me in what amounts to a cigar tube with a window on it with four strangers and go down to see an ocean-floor graveyard for 1,500 people. Probably five more now. At that depth, it would have been instantaneous.

I'm with you. The thought of being out on the ocean out of sight of land freaks me out. Being under it freaks me out more. No way in hell would I ever do something like this, even if you paid me.

Barring some sort of miraculous recovery, I hope you are correct that death came instantly. That beats the hell out of slowly freezing or suffocating in a tiny steel tube under 12,000 feet of water in the middle of a sub-oceanic graveyard .

Being afloat on a ship is simple physics. Flying in a plane is governed by the same laws of physics.

No one gives much of a thought to flying since it's safe and the risks are mitigated to make them reasonable. Same with cruising.

Other than the Titanic, when was the last time a cruise ship gone down? The one that crashed a few years ago did so because the captain thought he'd get some poon by showing off to his girlfriend.

Cruising is no more risky than flying and probably less so. They physics have been understood and technology works to mitigate the risks to make it safe.

Here’s a company that claims their winch system can reach 3,500 meters, about 1,000 feet short of the Titanic:

"That meant a 630-tonne traction winch and its 35-tonne storage winch—the first provides the tensile force, while the second stores the 4,000-meter cable.

The mission of these winches will be to place or retrieve packages from the ocean floor at depths of as much as 3,500 meters.”

Link

Can you imagine dying in the wreck of the Titanic?

That’s crazy

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Imagine putting three thousand people--all partying, drinking, having a good time--and stick them all in one hotel in the middle of nowhere. Underneath this hotel is over 300,000 gallons of fuel. Now lock all exits and prohibit anyone from being able to leave for days. That's a cruise ship. Now imagine what would happen if there were a fire in the hotel.

I concurr.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Don’t go on cruises. I don’t care. Stop pretending though like people are dying by scores on Royal Caribbean. Or Carnival. Or Disney. Or Norwegian. Or whatever, out of American ports. Please enlighten us on the last disaster off American shores. You are talking a bunch of coulda’s and shoulda’s.

Either way no sane person makes the leap from diving in a privately owned mini sub nearly two and a half miles below the surface to taking a cruise to the Bahamas. Be real. Apples and hydraulic fluid. Not even close.

Man, you're not even listening to what I'm saying. I said the same reasons I wouldn't go in that sub are the same reasons I wouldn't bring my children on a cruise, and those reasons are valid based on the fact that I've spent half of my adult life living and working on large ships.

I couldn't care less if you enjoy going on cruises. I simply stated why I don't and would never put my family in that situation. You don't need to be so defensive about it just because you like cruises. Knock yourself out. Sail away. But don't be so naive as to think indigestion is your biggest danger out there. That's so ridiculous it's almost insulting just reading it.

That's a real dalliance from reality.

Let's rewrite this:

Imagine sitting at 37,000 feet in an aluminum or carbon fiber tube along with 400 other people and the tube contains 63,000 gallons of fuel and you're zipping along at 400 mph. Your seat is mere inches from the outside where you'd die in minutes from a lack of oxygen, if you didn't freeze to death.

Now if there's a problem you can't just open up the door and step out, you can't control any fires yourself and you'd be dependent on the crew to use their expertise and skill to manage or prevent any problems from happening.

I guess you'll never fly again, by your own rationale.

Tick , tick , tick ...

"Just for the sake of being there..."

Of course I'll continue to fly. I'm aware of the dangers of flying and understand it's a necessary risk for me doing certain things, namely working and seeing family.

We're not talking about the same things, and you know it.

Yeah...I'm gonna say no.

I'd probably go on a space launch waaaaaaaaaay before I'd go on a deep sea "adventure". And the chances of my going on a space launch hovers somewhere between slim and none...

Titanic claims 5 more souls.