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The Trump Presidency : Year V

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June 27, 2025, 05:02 PM
Sig2340
The Trump Presidency : Year V
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Originally posted by parabellum:
Verified

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1938655436925776014

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So, the hiatus Haitians here are so going to be high flying Haitians headed to either Haiti or some willing cannibal tribe in the darkest, dankest, dingiest, dirtiest depths of a prison in an undisclosed location in your typical bottom-tiered third sliding into fourth world condition country.

I vote they are sent to New South Wales, Australia, (I’m pissed at the Aussies today) or alternatively, they goes to Outer Mongolia.





Nice is overrated

"It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government."
Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018
June 27, 2025, 05:23 PM
Bytes
OK, I'm not tired of winning yet, not at all. I just need a short breather, send a sub in for me for a short break Big Grin What a fan, fucking, tastic week!
June 27, 2025, 06:08 PM
nhtagmember
been a great week

the only thing that could make it better is to see Pencilneck Schiff and AOC in handcuffs
June 27, 2025, 06:25 PM
Gustofer
quote:
Originally posted by nhtagmember:
e only thing that could make it better is to see Pencilneck Schiff and AOC in handcuffs

I'd rather see Mayorkas, Wray, and Comey, but yeah...we can start with those two.


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It is long past time for a Convention of States. The Founding Fathers gave us this tool to fix an out of control government and we need to use it.
June 27, 2025, 08:05 PM
vthoky
Senate shuts down Kaine's attempt to check Trump's war powers

FoxNews link


A Senate Democrat’s push to put a check on President Donald Trump’s powers and reaffirm the Senate’s war authority was shut down by lawmakers in the upper chamber Thursday.

Sen. Tim Kaine’s war powers resolution, which would have required Congress to debate and vote on whether the president could declare war, or strike Iran, was struck down in the Senate on a largely party-line vote, save for Sen. John Fetterman, D-Pa., a staunch advocate of Israel who supported Trump's strike on the Islamic Republic, and Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., who has been vocal in his thoughts about congressional war powers in recent days.

Earlier in the week, the Virginia Democrat vowed to move ahead with the resolution despite a fragile ceasefire brokered between Israel and Iran following weekend strikes on the Islamic Republic’s key nuclear facilities that were not given the green-light by Congress.

(More at link.)


Good grief, Tim, why can’t you just shut up and go away?




Politicians seem to have forgotten that they work for us, not the other way around.
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God bless America.
June 27, 2025, 08:54 PM
parabellum
Just think- we are barely more than five months into a four year term. Each day, it seems, more and more people begin to realize and appreciate what is going on.

The Democrats find themselves in a colossal mess, with radicals and half-wits guiding their party.

You can't lie to people about inflation, the cost of fuel and so on. Everyone knows what condition their finances are in. You can't con people on these things. As things improve, the momentum will increase, and the more the left and their news media co-conspirators will make mistakes and become alienated from the American public. President Trump's domestic and foreign policies will continue to be successful, and the leftists will be on the wrong side of all of it, and everyone will see this.

The farther down the road we get, the better things will become. The better things become, the more people will get on board. The more people get on board, the better things will become.
June 27, 2025, 09:46 PM
parabellum
One last observation for the day- In her dissenting opinion on Trump v. CASA, Inc., "Justice" Roll Eyes Jackson used the term "full stop". Yes a member of the highest court in the land used this idiotic (and now past-prime) term, which is not befitting her (undeserved) position. She doesn't even know to be embarrassed by this inappropriate and trite pop culture language.

"Courts must have the power to order everyone (including the Executive) to follow the law — full stop."


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“What sickens me about left-wing people, especially the intellectuals, is their utter ignorance of the way things actually happen.” ~ George Orwell

"That's one thing about intellectuals. They've proved that you can be absolutely brilliant and have no idea what's going on." ~ Woody Allen
June 27, 2025, 11:53 PM
preten2b
Her diminutive stature was noticeable as she first came onto the national spotlight. That has become secondary since her being discovered as a mental midget.


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June 28, 2025, 12:02 AM
xd45man
This Independence Day you will find me with a bigger smile on my face created by all this winning. It's good to be an American!


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June 28, 2025, 12:33 AM
Ogie
quote:
Originally posted by xd45man:
This Independence Day you will find me with a bigger smile on my face created by all this winning. It's good to be an American!


Absolutely!!!
June 28, 2025, 07:42 AM
parabellum
And that's not all Roll Eyes

The obvious bias and lack of decorum are sickening. Classless, clueless and unqualified.

https://x.com/ArthurReturnss/s.../1938640541807468922


June 28, 2025, 08:04 AM
chellim1
quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
One last observation for the day- In her dissenting opinion on Trump v. CASA, Inc., "Justice" Roll Eyes Jackson used the term "full stop". Yes a member of the highest court in the land used this idiotic (and now past-prime) term, which is not befitting her (undeserved) position. She doesn't even know to be embarrassed by this inappropriate and trite pop culture language.

"Courts must have the power to order everyone (including the Executive) to follow the law — full stop."

Born: 1970 (age 54 years), Washington, D.C.
We could have another 30 years of this idiocy...
I'm glad to see ACB begin to call her out.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
June 28, 2025, 08:05 AM
Pipe Smoker
“The Trump administration took revenge against at least three federal prosecutors who worked on cases against January 6 rioters by firing them.

Attorney General Pam Bondi sacked the prosecutors on Friday, telling them they were 'removed from federal service effective immediately.'

In a copy of one of the dismissal letters first reported by NBC News, Bondi did not specify why the prosecutors were out of the job. …”

DailyMail article:
https://mol.im/a/14855917



Serious about crackers.
June 28, 2025, 08:51 AM
Fly-Sig
quote:
Originally posted by Ogie:

The ruling stated nothing about LEGAL residents, it stated "domiciled residents." Read the decision instead of jumping to conclusions.

In a 6–2 decision[108][109] issued on March 28, 1898,[110] the Supreme Court held that Wong Kim Ark had acquired U.S. citizenship at birth and that "the American citizenship which Wong Kim Ark acquired by birth within the United States has not been lost or taken away by anything happening since his birth."[111] The opinion of the Court was written by Associate Justice Horace Gray and was joined by Associate Justices David J. Brewer, Henry B. Brown, George Shiras Jr., Edward Douglass White, and Rufus W. Peckham.[112]

The Court stated "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" should be interpreted "in the light of the common law" which had included as subjects virtually all native-born children, excluding only those who were born to foreign rulers or diplomats, born on foreign public ships, or born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country's territory.[1][113][114][115] The court's majority held that the subject to the jurisdiction phrase in the Citizenship Clause excluded from U.S. citizenship only those persons covered by one of these three exceptions (plus a fourth "single additional exception"—namely, that Indian tribes "not taxed" were not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction).[4][38] The majority concluded that none of these four exceptions to U.S. jurisdiction applied to Wong; in particular, they observed that "during all the time of their said residence in the United States, as domiciled residents therein, the said mother and father of said Wong Kim Ark were engaged in the prosecution of business, and were never engaged in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China".


Link? As I read your post it appears to have quotes from a report on the decision.

This link https://constitutioncenter.org...-v-wong-kim-ark-1898 has the actual majority opinion which seems to contradict your source. But I'm still trying to digest all of this.
June 28, 2025, 09:08 AM
Cookster
The liberal tears are so salty and sorrowful, when some of the usual suspects don’t get favorable rulings because it’s how they feeeeelz about the constitutional legality of their socially ‘righteous’ causes -

https://x.com/GuntherEagleman/.../1938692449418838063




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June 28, 2025, 10:09 AM
Pipe Smoker
^^^^^
Thanks Cookster. My daily chuckle.



Serious about crackers.
June 28, 2025, 11:35 AM
slosig
You know, at first I really wanted President Trump to just run roughshod over these commie pieces of filth pretending to be judges. Then I came to understand the wisdom of working through the system as it was designed to work. As time goes on, it becomes clear that not only is he fixing many of the things that we want fixed, but he is also fixing how the government works. While we might cheer a nationwide injunction that prevents something we don’t want, that is not how the system was designed to work. I think that the more that we can get the system back to working as designed the more we’ll be better off in the long run.

I don’t know if we can get the legislators to come to Washington DC, write laws representing their constituents, then go home and go back to honest work, but I strongly suspect we’d be better off if we could. Instead of feckless dirtbags who are afraid of doing anything for fear of alienating voters and just defer everything to the administrative state, we might end up with folks actually doing their jobs and being held to account come election time.

Yeah, the legislators is probably a pipe dream, but things are getting better.
June 28, 2025, 12:33 PM
Ogie
quote:
Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
quote:
Originally posted by Ogie:

The ruling stated nothing about LEGAL residents, it stated "domiciled residents." Read the decision instead of jumping to conclusions.

In a 6–2 decision[108][109] issued on March 28, 1898,[110] the Supreme Court held that Wong Kim Ark had acquired U.S. citizenship at birth and that "the American citizenship which Wong Kim Ark acquired by birth within the United States has not been lost or taken away by anything happening since his birth."[111] The opinion of the Court was written by Associate Justice Horace Gray and was joined by Associate Justices David J. Brewer, Henry B. Brown, George Shiras Jr., Edward Douglass White, and Rufus W. Peckham.[112]

The Court stated "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" should be interpreted "in the light of the common law" which had included as subjects virtually all native-born children, excluding only those who were born to foreign rulers or diplomats, born on foreign public ships, or born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country's territory.[1][113][114][115] The court's majority held that the subject to the jurisdiction phrase in the Citizenship Clause excluded from U.S. citizenship only those persons covered by one of these three exceptions (plus a fourth "single additional exception"—namely, that Indian tribes "not taxed" were not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction).[4][38] The majority concluded that none of these four exceptions to U.S. jurisdiction applied to Wong; in particular, they observed that "during all the time of their said residence in the United States, as domiciled residents therein, the said mother and father of said Wong Kim Ark were engaged in the prosecution of business, and were never engaged in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China".


Link? As I read your post it appears to have quotes from a report on the decision.

This link https://constitutioncenter.org...-v-wong-kim-ark-1898 has the actual majority opinion which seems to contradict your source. But I'm still trying to digest all of this.


Your link seems to only be excerpts and doesn't disagree with what I posted. My source was Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ates_v._Wong_Kim_Ark
June 28, 2025, 02:24 PM
dsiets
quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
And that's not all Roll Eyes

The obvious bias and lack of decorum are sickening. Classless, clueless and unqualified.

https://x.com/ArthurReturnss/s.../1938640541807468922


-Babylon Bee Big Grin
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Following the U.S. Supreme Court's latest ruling in favor of President Trump, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson penned a scathing rebuke in a dissenting opinion where she simply wrote "Wakanda Forever."

In a 6-3 ruling, the court limited the ability of federal judges to file nationwide injunctions against executive orders, prompting Justice Jackson to defiantly quote Black Panther.

JUSTICE JACKSON, with whom JUSTICE KAGAN and JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR join, dissenting.

Wakanda Forever.

The dissenting opinion raised eyebrows from conservative justices who reportedly expected their liberal colleagues to at least have some kind of argument based on legal precedent.
https://babylonbee.com/news/in...ites-wakanda-forever
June 28, 2025, 04:49 PM
Lefty Sig
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

United States v. Wong Kim Ark

No. 18

Argued March 5, 8, 1897

Decided March 28, 1898

169 U.S. 649

APPEAL FROM THE DISTRICT COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

Syllabus

A child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution,

"All person born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

--SNIP--

The facts of this case, as agreed by the parties, are as follows: Wong Kim Ark was born in 1873 in the city of San Francisco, in the State of California and United States of America, and was and is a laborer. His father and mother were persons of Chinese descent, and subjects of the Emperor of China; they were at the time of his birth domiciled residents of the United States, having previously established and still enjoying a permanent domicil and residence therein at San Francisco; they continued to reside and remain in the United States until 1890, when they departed for China, and during all the time of their residence in the United States, they were engaged in business, and were never employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China. Wong Kim Ark, ever since his birth, has had but one residence, to-wit, in California, within the United States, and has there resided, claiming to be a citizen of the United States, and has never lost or changed that residence, or gained or acquired another residence, and neither he nor his parents acting for him ever renounced his allegiance to the United States, or did or committed any act or thing to exclude him

--SNIP--

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/169/649/

Note the words "permanent domicil and residence in the United States". Permanent residence is a legal status. No illegal alien is a "permanent resident".

This would clearly preclude women who travel to the U.S. as tourists to give birth, or illegally enter just in time to give birth. The question of whether or not illegal alien parents who live in the U.S. for a period of time and have a domicile are "permanent residents" will need to be decided by the courts. Leftists will argue that simply being here in a home of some sort is enough, and as such have mis-applied this case for a long time. Trump administration will argue this case only applies to green card holders is irrelevant to his executive order and the court has to decide the meaning and intent of the 14th amendment. And we all know the 14th amendment had ZERO to do with immigration, is was about making former slaves citizens in a way that future legislation could not reverse.

In the case, a primary issue was the application of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" to subjects of a foreign monarch who does not release them from being subjects when they move to another country. But then we have plenty of people in the U.S. who are permanent legal residents but still citizens of another country and their children would be U.S. citizens because they are "permanent residents". A lot of the decision discusses English Common Law, where anyone born anywhere in the Crown's realm is a subject automatically. But then when you have an empire like the Brits did, you are going to claim everyone as a subject, that's the whole point of Colonialism. And you know, we rebelled against the Brits because we didn't like being subjects, so British common law about what makes you a subject shouldn't apply in the U.S.

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