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Just rolled $150,000 into a fixed annuity last week. I’m afraid to check it.

Ouch, I wonder who talked you into that.

Did you do your research on buying an annuity before hand?

It's my understanding that 'Fixed Annunities' are just that...Fixed. You lose the upside opportunities that come with market appreciation, and trade it for the 'safety & security' of a fixed return regardless of any potential market decline. Generally a gamble like anything else, but usually the house wins! Wink

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When Biden got elected I lost $50,000 first six months. Rolled everything into cash. Haven’t lost any more but haven’t made any either.

Not sure you could've lost money during that time frame...The market (ALL US Markets!) were up from election day in 2020 thru mid-November 2021 (DJIA ^ 27%, NASDAQ ^ 35%, & S&P 500 ^ 34%). 2022 however, was a different story!


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What would JAllen say?


So now I know what all those "WWJD?" stickers mean!


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Posts: 3055 | Location: Round Rock | Registered: February 11, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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You only lose when you go to sell. Stock prices going up and down are a normal thing........But I do feel we are overdue for a recession.
 
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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
For those people 10+ years from retirement, just ignore the market. Keep investing regularly into a well diversified portfolio. Seriously, pay no attention whatsoever to the market.


This is very solid advice. Any corrections and downturns in the stock market will be erased in 10 years. The long run average return of the stock market is an annualized 10%.



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Posts: 20312 | Location: The Free State of Arizona - Ditat Deus | Registered: March 24, 2011Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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As a wise investor type like yourself once told me,

Thank the good Lord and those watching over me that I didn't gamble with funds I couldn't afford to lose.

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Posts: 55355 | Location: Henry County , Il | Registered: February 10, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I am a little embarrassed to say, but I am down 6 digits so far this month, but I am still way up for the year.

Fear is a killer.

Make sure your allocations are right for you and then just let things happen. Don't panic.

If you can take advantage of some loss harvesting, then do that, but don't panic and sell.

That is my advice from a novice at this stuff.


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Posts: 1563 | Location: Central Ohio, USA | Registered: May 29, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Just rolled $150,000 into a fixed annuity last week. I’m afraid to check it. When Biden got elected I lost $50,000 first six months. Rolled everything into cash. Haven’t lost any more but haven’t made any either.


Should have left it that $50k would be $100k if you had market average.
 
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The money I'd use 1st in retirement went down $7k yesterday, but the money I'd use later in retirement went down $35k.

I'm liking my timeline risk strategy my new advisor set me up with earlier this year. By my estimate, I would've been down an additional $13k yesterday with my old advisor.



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Posts: 24026 | Location: Northern Suburbs of Houston | Registered: November 14, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I'm seeing that Fidelity and others are also having issues.

Fidelity took longer than usual to load for me, but I couldn't even log into Schwab for over 5 hours... Same thing happened on the third Friday of July, Schwab was down almost the entire day.
 
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And one of the primary culprits for this stock tumble turns out to be... a strengthening Japanese Yen?

From https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/0...rade-stocks-nightcap

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A popular trading strategy just blew up in investors’ faces

Sometimes, markets tumble because of a big, unambiguous event, like a pandemic or a war or an economic slowdown. Sometimes, they fall because of less visible forces, like high-level financial shenanigans designed to generate profits out of thin air.

This week, markets have been grappling with both.

The selloff on Wall Street began last week with some fundamental concerns: Tech earnings were disappointing, and there were red flags in the US labor market that could indicate a serious slowdown in the world’s biggest economy.

But the financial shift that poured gasoline on the fire is more obscure, and so technical that even some longtime investors struggle to explain it succinctly.

When you hear commentators talking this week about the “yen carry trade” or the “great unwind,” they’re referring to a popular trading strategy that is, suddenly, blowing up in investors’ faces.

The carry trade, explained

Put simply: A carry trade is when you borrow money in a place where interest rates are low and use it to invest elsewhere in assets that generate some kind of return.

For years, the place to get money on the cheap has been Japan, where interest rates have held steadily at or near zero.

An investor could borrow Japanese yen (for a small fee) and use that yen to buy, say, US tech stocks or government bonds or the Mexican peso — all of which have offered solid returns in recent years. In theory, as long as the yen remains low against the dollar, you can pay back what you borrowed and still walk away with a tidy profit.

“For the century so far, you would have made more money in the yen-peso carry trade than you would have done in the S&P 500,” Bloomberg columnist John Authers said on the Big Take Daily podcast. “That is bonkers.”

The yen carry trade proved especially popular in the last four years, because Japan was the only major economy in the world offering essentially free money. (While the US, Europe and others were raising interest rates to fight inflation, Japan has had the opposite problem, and it kept borrowing rates low to encourage economic growth.)

Borrowing for next to nothing and getting a 5% return on a US Treasury sounds like a no-brainer.

“It’s pretty good arbitrage, but it’s not really arbitrage because it’s not risk-free,” said John Sedunov, a finance professor at the Villanova School of Business. “You need to have the exchange rate work in your favor.”

Easy money turns messy

Problems began when the yen’s value started going up a few weeks ago, eroding the potential profit from a carry trade.

Last week, the Bank of Japan raised interest rates for the second time since March, pushing the yen even higher (and thus making it more expensive to pay back your yen-based loan).

Meanwhile, the dollar weakened as the Federal Reserve strongly hinted at looming rate cuts, and US tech stocks declined. If you’re a carry trader, you headed for the exits. But so did everyone else.

This is where it gets messy.

“You can’t unwind the biggest carry trade the world has ever seen without breaking a few heads,” Kit Juckes, global macro strategist at Societe Generale, said in a note to clients Monday.

The carry trade relies on borrowing, which means it’s a leveraged position. (As a general rule, whenever you hear of leverage in finance, think “high risk.”)

Once even minor losses start to accrue, lenders are going to demand that you pony up more cash to cover your potential losses, a process known as a margin call. That may mean selling stocks to raise cash, or closing out the position completely.

“Not everybody will have a margin call at once, but the riskiest people might, and then they start to liquidate,” Sedunov said. “And then that creates losses for people down the chain, and then they have to sell things, and then it’s just this kind of spiral.”

On Monday, the Japanese stock market fell 12.4%, triggering a global rout. On Tuesday, Japan’s stocks clawed back some of their losses. US markets also rebounded. But the relief may be temporary.

“We are not done by any stretch,” Arindam Sandilya, co-head of global FX strategy for JPMorgan Chase, said on Bloomberg TV. “The carry trade unwind… is somewhere between 50%-60% complete.”

In other words: Buckle up, and don’t panic.
 
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Rogue, thanks for posting that excellent article. It's a great summary--better than anything I had found--of the likely cause for the recent rout in stock markets worldwide.
Fortunately, I did nothing.


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When I looked earlier today the dow was up about 250. Just checked. Seems like it went down close to 500 by the end taking in to account the early gain.

Wondering if we are starting a steady path downward.

My sense is yes, but who knows.



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I found $16.5k today. That puts me almost even for the week.



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And one of the primary culprits for this stock tumble turns out to be... a strengthening Japanese Yen?



i heard it said that individuals trying to make money on the foreign exchange market is like little people foraging for food in the middle of goliaths battling each other. The goliaths (central banks) are going to step on you and squash you sooner or later.



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Posts: 20312 | Location: The Free State of Arizona - Ditat Deus | Registered: March 24, 2011Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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After this week's rollercoaster ride. I'm only down ~3%. I wonder how many will be feezing their 401ks for the next month or 2 (i.e., cash and bonds). I'm pretty limited in my Vanguard account or I would consider an allocation into commodities (VGPMX, VCMDX). I've entertained the idea of an in-service rollerover into a directed IRA dedicated to precious metals but I'm thinking metals may go down before all this plays about pre/post election. I'm still heavy equities and thinking of increasing my bond ppercentage. I'll probably just hold on tight and ride the rollercoaster but I did change my contribution to mostly Roth.
 
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After this week's rollercoaster ride. I'm only down ~3%.


I'm effectively back to where I was in early July. So only down 1 month's worth of modest gains.

Doesn't even move the needle, in the grand scheme of things. Certainly not a reason to panic and pull out of the market.
 
Posts: 33568 | Location: Northwest Arkansas | Registered: January 06, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Just rolled $150,000 into a fixed annuity last week. I’m afraid to check it.

Did you do your research on buying an annuity before hand?

It's my understanding that 'Fixed Annunities' are just that...Fixed. You lose the upside opportunities that come with market appreciation, and trade it for the 'safety & security' of a fixed return regardless of any potential market decline. Generally a gamble like anything else, but usually the house wins! Wink

The problem with annuities is that they come in 300-500 different flavors. The rates and features are constantly changing. Most people probably don't fully understand them at the time of purchase but buy on a recommendation.

Many of the older annuities have high M&E charges and features that people never use.

I do like some of the newer RILAs which allow for full participation on the upside, with buffers (loss limitation) on the downside.



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And now, barely 2 weeks later, I'm back to where I was before this slight dip.

Don't.
Panic.
 
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Yep! Time in the market! Nibble on dips.




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I suppose I should have bought on the dip on the Monday. But with the market just going sideways for a while, I've been, for lack of a better word, scared.

Today, I bought into defensive sectors and the top companies in those sectors: Healthcare, Consumer Staples, and Utilities. Before this, I was 9% equities / 91% Fixed Income. Now, I think I'm still under 20% equities.



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