"Winds 270 at 24 gusting 33".

From the Skull Leader video.
That's not that bad is it? I guess it depends on runway orientation?

Canadair Regional Jet 900 LR, presumably LR Long Range. I believe Bombardier, previously Canadair, Sold the series to Mitsubishi which shut the program down in 2020. The whole episode was a clusterfuck, being far too expensive to be competitive. This unit was 17 years old.

My note above was too brief and a little misleading. The full story is long and can be found her, for those interested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ardier_CRJ700_series

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Originally posted by dsiets:
"Winds 270 at 24 gusting 33".

From the Skull Leader video.
That's not that bad is it? I guess it depends on runway orientation?

Runway 23, so 230 degrees or 40 degrees off of dead on into the wind.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by dsiets:
"Winds 270 at 24 gusting 33".

From the Skull Leader video.
That's not that bad is it? I guess it depends on runway orientation?

Runway 23, so 230 degrees or 40 degrees off of dead on into the wind.

Crosswind component approximately 0.65, so effective crosswind 16, gusting 21. Certainly enough to get the adrenaline flowing. One of our airline guys might be able to tell us what the demonstrated crosswind component is, for that airplane.

For comparison, the demonstrated crosswind component for my v-tail was 17 knots. This is not a limit, but rather it is the highest crosswind component that was encountered during certification. Any airplane type might very well be capable of handling a higher crosswind than the "demonstrated" figure.

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Originally posted by V-Tail: Any airplane type might very well be capable of handling a higher crosswind than the "demonstrated" figure.

One of the joys and advantages of V/STOL is that there is no crosswind

CRJ 900 limit for crosswind on dry runway is around 28kts. (at 0) So shave 1/3 and factor RCC, still near the upper part of the box.

Looking at the airfield, I am not sure "dry runway" (RCC 6) were the conditions, but considered "contaminated".

(What we used to call/request Runway Condition Code # or "ARE WHY SEE SEE", six being "dry" clear/no contamination. snow, ice, dust/dirt, turtles...)

Something tells me the FFA is on the cutting block soon. What a cluster of a month.

That crosswind is well within the aircraft capabilities. The landing limitations have a lot of fat built in.

The 900 is a good landing aircraft. It isn't terribly squirrelly. It is also a strong airplane. Breaking off a wing or landing gear is extraordinary.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:


For comparison, the demonstrated crosswind component for my v-tail was 17 knots. This is not a limit, but rather it is the highest crosswind component that was encountered during certification. Any airplane type might very well be capable of handling a higher crosswind than the "demonstrated" figure.

Differential thrust can assist the rudder, and assuming there is wing tip clearance to increase bank angle, performance can be significantly improved. Swept wings increase the risk of a wing tip strike, and airlines don't like pilots to pilot much anymore, so the limits are low.

In the EMB-120 the max crosswind limitation was the published max demonstrated value of 30 kts. We landed with 52 kts one day straight across the runway.

There is a video that appears to show a fireball of a plane coming down, with the plane somehow escaping the fireball.

This video??


https://www.tmz.com/watch/2025...footage-1976188-314/

I'm seeing a hard touch-down, the right wing breaking off, and an immediate fireball. I imagine the lift from the remaining wing rolled it over upside down.

That looked like a pretty hard landing.

Wind and ice would be my guess.

Does anyone else see a fairly pronounced roll directly onto its right main landing gear just before touchdown? Wind gust at the last moment?

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Originally posted by kkina:
Does anyone else see a fairly pronounced roll directly onto its right main landing gear just before touchdown? Wind gust at the last moment?

Yep, also seemed like a pretty quick and hard decent.

Praise God all survived with minimal injuries.

Wind, wind gusts, reduced visibility due to blowing snow, loss of depth perception, a little poor judgment and your day goes to shit. I feel for all involved.

Hard landing, compressor #2 then #1 (near simultaneous).

Would not contribute, but caused by the hard landing. (fan/case rub, disrupting airflow).

Like the Jazz CRJ-900 that landed similar to this one, about 4 years ago and then taxied off the runway to the taxi way dragging the aircraft with only the NLG, and both mains snapped rearward.

Going frame by frame with the video kkina posted, did they even make the runway? Camera angles and all, it looks like they landed way short.

Here an image from Google maps:



Wouldn't a normal landing be on or just beyond the numbers? In the video, it looks like they touched down on or before the yellow chevrons.

Not that it matters, but judging by terminal in the background not only is the plane upside down, but it is also backwards from the direction it landed. Delta should hook up with NASCAR.