https://leginfo.legislature.ca...ll_id=202120220SB918

In that bill it outlines "sensitive areas" off limits to anyone carrying with a CCW...the final kicker is section (26) "Any other privately-owned commercial establishment that is open to the public, unless the operator of the establishment clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the building or on the premises indicating that license holders are permitted to carry firearms on the property. Signs shall be of a uniform design as prescribed by the Department of Justice and shall be at least four inches by six inches in size."

THIS MEANS EVEN IF YOU ARE JUST TRAVELING FROM POINT A TO POINT B...YOU CAN'T EVEN GET GASOLINE AT A GAS STATION WITHOUT ONE OF THOSE SIGNS. THIS MEANS IF YOU GO TO A HARDWARE STORE OR ANY BUSINESS WITHOUT ONE OF THOSE SIGNS...FORGET IT.

ANY TRAIN, BUS STATION, AIRPORT AND PARKING LOTS...FORGET IT.
ANY HOTEL..WITHOUT A SIGN...FORGET IT...
ANY PARK, STADIUM...FORGET IT
ANY PLACE THAT SELLS ALCOHOL - RESTAURANT/BAR/LIQUOR STORE - FORGET IT.
ANY BANK (YOU'RE MAKING A CASH DEPOSIT FROM YOUR BUSINESS) - FORGET IT.
You go to a shopping center..park in the large parking lot...and there's just one business without that sign...FORGET IT....
ANY HOTEL WITHOUT THAT SIGN...EVEN THE PARKING LOT...FORGET IT


They have a lot of hoops for a person to jump through in addition to a lot in fees to be paid.....and they outlined a huge number of sensitive places...but the final kicker was (26)...ANY BUSINESS without that sign saying firearms and ccws are ok....

They are getting rid of "Good Cause" as well as "being of good moral character"...but they are making everything by default a "sensitive" place rendering the carry permit as being utterly useless.
When a person steps outside of their home...they have to go somewhere and engage in some kind of business...or activity like going to a park...or going to the hospital...well...everywhere essentially EXCEPT for a public road and areas where hunting is allowed...is deemed a "sensitive area"....

They are still working through their stages of grief. They are going to fight back, and they will have to be defeated again and again in the courts.

If you are not already a member of the State Gun Rights group in your state, join.

I also suggest supporting the 2nd Amendment Foundation they have been producing great law suits against this stuff for years and winning. With NYSRPA, Heller & McDonald we have the constitution visible now.

We will have to sue every jurisdiction and AG in those states going through NYSRPA grief until they can no longer deny the new landscape.

HK Ag

Yes, they will try to legislate around this. And they'll get slapped down on some of it, and some parts of it might be allowed to stand. It is the way this works and is entirely to be expected.

This doesn't mean we don't act, but we shouldn't be surprised.

If everywhere is sensitive than nowhere is sensitive. They’re gonna get sued and lose. And anyways concealed means concealed.

Also note; violation of the above is a felony. As usual they will sign this into an enforceable law while it goes through the courts.

"Mirrors" NY, eh? Good. One successful court case will put paid to this nonsense in two heavily-populated liberal-dominated states.

So to summarize the NY and California bills...."Anywhere you could possibly need a defend yourself, you are not allowed to carry a firearm." See how easy that is. Yep, back to court we head. No huge surprise this filth is still continuing to try and pervert the law.

And the California law requiring a business owner to post a sign essentially welcoming CCW holders is a recipe for opening them to additional legal liability if anything goes wrong, hence IMO the reason why California designed the law this way. No business owners are going to want to step into that potential liability.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:…And the California law requiring a business owner to post a sign essentially welcoming CCW holders is a recipe for opening them to additional legal liability if anything goes wrong, hence IMO the reason why California designed the law this way. No business owners are going to want to step into that potential liability.

On the other hand, if one was a victim of a shooting incident, would they be able to sue for damages/liability because of the inability to defend themself?

There are already five lawsuits filed in NY and I'd be surprised if more weren't forthcoming. I'm betting our non elected Governor knew she'd lose in court but she'll be able to throw her hands up and say "I tried, vote for me".

States are jamming though as many laws as can be written to circumvent the Bruen ruling. As soon as the ink is dry and the 'new laws' are made available, class action lawsuits will follow with a stack of briefs in support. Yes, back to the courts and hopefully, the presiding judge will recognize what is going on and order an injunction against the state's actions.

Are these bills being written such that there are no exceptions? Applies to all politicians, their bodyguards, off duty leo, retired leo, judges, etc. No exceptions. If not, this is just weaponized politics.

We need party term limits. Every political position must change party every two terms or something.

Maryland will soon follow. They will probably call a special session as soon as the primary election is over here on July 19th.

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Originally posted by Sig Marine:
On the other hand, if one was a victim of a shooting incident, would they be able to sue for damages/liability because of the inability to defend themself?

I think you know the answer to that question.

Sad situation .
Soon those of us in NY will be relegated to open carrying the jawbone of an ass.
Samson did OK with one.

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Originally posted by msfzoe:
Sad situation .
Soon those of us in NY will be relegated to open carrying the jawbone of an ass.
Samson did OK with one.

And if you're in a Blue State, they're easy to find.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
THIS MEANS EVEN IF YOU ARE JUST TRAVELING FROM POINT A TO POINT B...YOU CAN'T EVEN GET GASOLINE AT A GAS STATION WITHOUT ONE OF THOSE SIGNS. THIS MEANS IF YOU GO TO A HARDWARE STORE OR ANY BUSINESS WITHOUT ONE OF THOSE SIGNS...FORGET IT.

And knowing the Goddamn commies in CA, they will extend the distance of the Gun-Free School Zones (prohibiting a person from possessing a firearm in a school zone, an area within 1,000 feet of public or private school grounds) from 1000 feet perimeter to 5000 or 10,000 feet. Making it virtually impossible to carry anywhere.

Now you know why I left Commiefornia. In my state of KY, we passed constitutional carry a couple of years ago. People largely ignore "no guns" signs, which are few anyway.