My Tundra could use some new tires. And no I am not going to buy Michelins. The Destinations seem solid. I realize the XT are a 10 ply and the AT/S are four ply. I need a traction rated tire and these both are. When I bought the Tundra it came with a new set of Perelli 4 ply. They have been good tires. I do haul, drive gravel rds. etc. These have held up just fine. So leaning towards the AT/S. I do drive on snow and ice. I wonder how the XT would do on ice, especially after wearing some.
I would love to hear if you run either. Krazehorse plz chime in since I know you know tires. Thanks guys.
The difference in cost is $150 between the two and costco has pretty good prices on them.

275 65 18

Those both are going to sling gravel like crazy if you are good with that.

I am on gravel a lot and it is a big consideration for me.

Those two options being that you tow I would go with the XT.

What size 18s or 20s?

I just put LT version of Nitto Terra Grappler G3’s on my LX 570. So far I’ve been happy. Waiting for a good rain to see how they handle it

I looked at those you mentioned but decided on these because they appear to be a good compromise tire for road and dirt

I’ll second those Nitto Terra Grapplers. They’re a really good tire, especially for the price.

Do you mean A/T2? I didn’t see an ATS on a quick search.

We had Destination A/T and then A/T2 tires on a Honda Pilot. Not a truck. They were very very good tires, all year. Unless I needed a dedicated winter tire, I would be happy with them again.

If I bought a vehicle with them on I would be quite content.

If I was paying though, I would buy the Nokian Outpost AT.

Why not Michelins?

The Michelin LTX A/Ts my truck came with shredded themselves on gravel and gave me almost 25,000 miles.

Some snow & ice? What State? Seems experience can vary with different tires. When snow & ice traction is needed, hard compound and aggressive tread isn’t very helpful.

I did a snowy U.P. of MI drive a month ago. Here in S WI only a few days in snowy conditions.

Thanks guys. Thanks for that report onegeek. That is good to hear. That is where I am leaning.

No more Michelins for me, ever.

I would like to stay in that $250 a tire range

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Originally posted by trapper189:
The Michelin LTX A/Ts my truck came with shredded themselves on gravel and gave me almost 25,000 miles.

Just like most OEM tires regardless of brand they are inferior to a store bought tire or the same manufacturer and even model name.
Never judge a tire if it came on a vehicle from the factory.

They are made to be extra comfortable at the original purchase which usually means softer rubber that does not last, grip well in snow, and gets ripped up in gravel.

This will sometimes differ if one gets an upgraded performance or off-road package from the factory.

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Just like most OEM tires regardless of brand they are inferior to a store bought tire or the same manufacturer and even model name.
Never judge a tire if it came on a vehicle from the factory.

This is 100% true. I didn't believe it when I was first told this, then I did some research.

My wife's 2015 Explorer came with Hankook Dynapro's. I got about 38K miles from them and I was pissed that they wore out so soon. When I was looking at new tires, my mechanic (whom I trust) said to put the same tire on as he liked Hankook's. Well I didn't and went another route but later ended up with some Hankook Dynapros on another vehicle and they lasted a long, long time. That's when I actually did my research and found out that OEM tires are of a lower quality than regular production tires that you and I buy.

Manufacturers buy a lower quality version to save money...

On cars and SUVs, I wouldn't doubt the OEM tires are made to be extra comfortable.

On an F350? Probably not. In fact my next set of tires were OEM Goodyears taken from a new 2017 F350. There was no difference that I could tell between those and the next two sets of the same model Goodyears I put on my truck. Same wear, same handling, and same ride. All better than the OEM Michelins for $125 a tire less on the second two sets.

I tried a set of Toyo highway tires supposedly specifically designed for diesel pickups. I got 45,000 miles before I had enough of them. I could have ran them for another 5,000, but they were awful tires from the beginning because they made the truck wander all over then road requiring constant adjustments on my part to keep the truck centered in the lane.

I went back to the Goodyear for the next set and all was right with the world. I'd have those on now, but they are no longer $175 apiece. They are price such that the DuraTracs were only $20 each more, so I have a set of those waiting in the wings. I'm running a set of Continental highway tires on my truck's original wheels that I haven't used since the Michelin. The Contis are great on the highway, but they are shredding on gravel. I'll be lucky to get 25,000 miles out of them and I think they're supposed to be 60,000 mile tires.


If I had another truck to haul and tow with, I would not put the Firestone XTs on a Tundra. The XTs are an LT tire designed to go on trucks that start off weighing empty what a Tundra does fully loaded. Even on those 250/350 type trucks, LT tires ride better with an extra 1,000 pounds or more in the bed.

I got 60k miles out of some new car tires way back in the nineties. Since then I haven't gotten more than 35k out of any. Sometimes only 25k miles. That's absurd. I hate creating new laws and burdens for people but there should be something that requires companies to disclose if they are providing a product that could be inferior to the same product bought elsewhere.

10ply ride like crap, if you tow, at the top end of the weight range get the XT otherwise the at/s. Costco sells BF goodrich I'd be getting KO3s and be done with it.

To throw another option in the ring, after extensive research I personally put these hankooks on my truck, and they've been absolutely fantastic and will be buying another set in about 40k miles

https://tiresize.com/tires/Han...Xtreme-275-65R18.htm

This is out of the price range above but while I have K02's, there seems to be considerable affinity for the Falken Wildpeak AT3 (?) that I'm considering them the next time around. I only have about 10K miles on my K02's but they are about 7 years old.