LAPD Bomb Squad blows up bomb truck with illegal fireworks***updated it was over loaded***
Doing it right...
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July 05, 2021, 12:51 AM
83v45magna
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Originally posted by a1abdj: I was under the assumption that those purpose built eod trucks/trailers were designed to contain an accidental explosion while in transit as opposed to being used to purposely detonate material inside of them.
Me too.
In the case of a powerful enough explosive, wouldn't a 'containment vessel' just become a bomb casing and make an explosion potentially more powerful? It was my understanding that that (and shrapnel) was the general idea with pipe and pressure cooker bombs.
July 05, 2021, 06:44 AM
Blume9mm
I watched some videos of the vessels being tested and they actually release the pressure of the explosion.... over a minute or two. the larger ones of these are supposed to be able to contain the explosion of up to 22lbs of TNT. Now I'm wondering if the LA units venting system failed.... making it just part of the bomb.
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July 05, 2021, 07:19 AM
Sig209
'We're from the government we're here to help... Step aside while we blow up your neighborhood.'
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July 05, 2021, 08:10 AM
Graniteguy
Detonating this in a populated neighborhood is an obvious blunder, especially if there was no immediate risk or urgency. (which it doesn't sound like there was) Those containment units have wheels on them for a reason.
July 05, 2021, 04:33 PM
Sigmund
Herer are some details on the Donovan Blast Chamber that was designed for toxic chemical munitions with fillers like mustard or phosgene.
There was some shit in there they didn't count on.
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July 05, 2021, 06:13 PM
cas
Maybe somebody just wanted a new truck. Hmmmm...
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July 05, 2021, 06:15 PM
ChuckFinley
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July 05, 2021, 06:30 PM
corsair
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Originally posted by Blume9mm: Now I'm wondering if the LA units venting system failed.... making it just part of the bomb.
That was my thoughts
July 05, 2021, 06:40 PM
Rightwire
Perhaps the door mechanism failed, or there was a flaw in the steel used in the sphere. Or perhaps there was more boom than the boombox could handle.
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July 05, 2021, 09:08 PM
cne32507
"Officers also found improvised explosive devices with simple fuses — about 40 the size of Coke cans and 200 smaller objects of similar construction — and conducted X-rays to determine their contents.
Less than 10 pounds of the devices were transferred into a semitruck, which Moore said was rated, with its outer containment shell, to handle 18 pounds." LA Times
Less than 10 pounds of Coke can size explosives with a fuse blows up a bomb disposal truck? WTF? Did they think it was tannerite?
July 05, 2021, 09:10 PM
ryan81986
I'm curious what the "IED"s were. Was he just making big M80s with flash powder, or did he have something more powerful in the house.
July 05, 2021, 10:14 PM
snoris
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Originally posted by 229DAK: Probably included an Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator in all that mess.
Eeeeh....blow up de oit?
July 05, 2021, 10:16 PM
cne32507
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Originally posted by ryan81986: I'm curious what the "IED"s were. Was he just making big M80s with flash powder, or did he have something more powerful in the house.
I doubt he was "making" anything; he was a bootleg importer/reseller of commercial fireworks. The "IED's" were probably firework mortar shells. You see/hear these in every fireworks show. He had 5K# of commercial fireworks stacked on his patio. My god.
July 06, 2021, 01:43 AM
corsair
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Originally posted by cne32507: "Officers also found improvised explosive devices with simple fuses — about 40 the size of Coke cans and 200 smaller objects of similar construction — and conducted X-rays to determine their contents.
Less than 10 pounds of the devices were transferred into a semitruck, which Moore said was rated, with its outer containment shell, to handle 18 pounds." LA Times
Less than 10 pounds of Coke can size explosives with a fuse blows up a bomb disposal truck? WTF? Did they think it was tannerite?
Another possibility that hasn't been considered....the containment vessel was not built to spec.
July 06, 2021, 03:47 PM
Rightwire
Capacity of 18lbs of what? Sand, Black powder, ANFO, C4?
Are they inspected after defeating a charge? How often? How many charges of a given size can one tolerate before it fails?
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42lbs of explosives in a container rated for 25 lb one time use or 15 lb multiple use. Bomb squad guesstimated the weight at 16.5 lbs
Some of the fireworks were leaking and they deemed them not safe for transportation and were intentionally detonated.
July 20, 2021, 07:25 PM
corsair
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The Los Angeles chapter of Black Lives Matter and other organizations will have their own news conference on Tuesday to demand more answers and reparations for the residents who were hurt in the blast. Some victims have filed legal claims – the precursor to lawsuits – against the city.
How about you guys sue the asshole who's house was where all the explosives were found in?
I know, I know, Arturo Ceja, 26 probably has very little to his name....
July 20, 2021, 07:36 PM
armored
Sounds like simple incompetence, the Bomb squad should have every member replaced or at least ALL the supervisors and training personnel replaced and officers re-trained.
