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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
No.

Bullets to the heads. Trial, guilty, firing squad.

You want to use your positions to send an innocent man to jail, knowingly?

The punishment should be final and leave no room for misunderstanding.

Absolutely agree. Making a mistake based on evidence at the time is bad enough; knowingly sending someone to jail with malicious intent should carry the severest of penalties.

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Originally posted by olfuzzy:
Whoops
The court recessed briefly after the stunning testimony from Scott, a prosecution witness who had been granted immunity. Fox News Correspondent Jonathan Hunt said he was in the hallway and spotted Gallagher and his wife Andrea hugging and laughing together, appearing to be relieved -- even celebratory -- after hearing what Scott had said.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/med...-isis-fighters-death

This is fantastic!

Perry Mason level drama - this will be a great movie. What a bunch of numskull prosecutors, unbelievable!

Hope this means the charges are dropped and this case is dismissed.

I have been retired from the military side for 8 years now but as far as sex assault cases are concerned, political pressure caused the military justice system to be spring loaded to prosecute these cases. Fortunately my agency was separate from the command structure but convening authorities and prosecutors could feel the pressure. We were often criticized for unfounding allegations of sex assault and the manpower we spent investigating BS allegations took scarce resources away from real criminal cases with real sexual assaults. Senior officers wanted to appear they were "doing" something and it was a career ender if they were seen as weak on sexual assault issues. As usual, Congress and the media created that mess.

People seem to not realize, career pentagon types are "Swamp" in Uniform. They just don't have to do the campaign thing, but they are polished politicians.

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The courtroom drama continued to unfold as Parlatore -- a tall, imposing Navy veteran -- stood facing the navy prosecutor seated inches from him, accusing prosecutors of stopping short of ever asking Scott what the cause of death was. The reason, Parlatore charged, was because they had one goal: the prosecution of Gallagher.

So the prosecutor didn’t want the cause of death to come out because they wanted to send Senior Chief to jail......these motherfuckers, each one of them from the prosecutor to the admiral and everyone in between need to immediately be arrested, reduced to O-1 and then discharged with a bad conduct discharge ensuring they will not get a retirement. This should include whomever originated the charges....what a shitshow. Talk about a railroading....

a few years at hard labor would do them all a world of good as well...Leavenworth or GitMo

I don't give two shits about the terrorist who died/was killed, who did it, or how it happened. Doesn't matter to me in any way. The fact that he is dead is the only good part about this story.

The bad thing is that these soldiers/sailors are having to deal with this after having had to deal with that. The latter is not an easy thing.

These great men are asked to do shit that men should not be asked to do. And, when they do it are now being prosecuted is sickening to me.

I concur with MikeinNC. Those bastards need to pay.

Here in yUK things are much simpler.

The Army Act makes it an offence to commit a crime that is actually a civilian crime, the the accused is simply handed over to the civil courts to deal with.

Sorted.

Respectfully, I don't think that civilian courts are emotionally/realistically equipped to deal with military's matters. UCMJ is similar to but different from civilian law.

And what would a court do if certain aspects of the case involve classified info - because that would end up in the public record.

There are many other limitations that are likely to come to light.

Andrew

I don't have a problem with the military and its UCMJ - I think its the right way to do things

however, the burden they must meet and the standards of conduct must be so far above reproach that they must be just about lily white

they have stained the reputation of the military and should pay dearly for that

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
Here in yUK things are much simpler.

The Army Act makes it an offence to commit a crime that is actually a civilian crime, the the accused is simply handed over to the civil courts to deal with.

Sorted.

Prob one of the reasons our armed forces kicked your ass in 1783.

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Originally posted by Sigfan Roy:

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
Here in yUK things are much simpler.

The Army Act makes it an offence to commit a crime that is actually a civilian crime, the the accused is simply handed over to the civil courts to deal with.

Sorted.

Prob one of the reasons our armed forces kicked your ass in 1783.

Y'know, reading such heartwarming and friendly posts as yours is one of the things I enjoy so much about SIG forum.

FYI, in 1783 my ancestors were either struggling to live in Ireland under British rule, or trying to stay one step ahead of the mob trying to burn them alive in Northern France, where Jews were not very popular, again.

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Originally posted by corsair:

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Originally posted by CQB60:
Crawford should lose his flag and be drumed out, lucky to receive retirement at a Captains salary...

Crawford and Lorge should be tried, reduced to O-6 and serve the same amount of jail time they issued to Barry.

IMO, they should be summarily reduced to recipients of dishonorable discharges, sent to Leavenworth for a minimum of 15 years making gravel out of boulders!

How much more of this shit are we going to find out that was perpetrated on our military by obummer and company?

How many flag grade officers were summarily drummed out of the military by obummer and his crowd. If memory serves, more than 300 were simply thrown out, to be replaced by obummer assholes.

Ok Tac since you found my humor insulting apparently I will ask you a serious question.

Have you ever served in the US military, or any other military?

Just curious due to your inference that your country's simpler way is better than ours.

Sorry for the thread drift.

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Originally posted by Sigfan Roy:
Ok Tac since you found my humor insulting apparently I will ask you a serious question.

Have you ever served in the US military, or any other military?

Just curious due to your inference that your country's simpler way is better than ours.

Sorry for the thread drift.

Dude - you've been here since 2014, and you don't have answers to your own questions?

Tac has full credibility on things military.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
Maybe the military shouldn't get to conduct trials if the command has that much influence.

Perhaps crimes that aren't related to military duties - ordinary civilian crimes - should be tried by civilian courts. I don't know enough to say this is the answer, or whether some classes of crimes ought to be counted in or out, but when justice is perverted by internal, political considerations, it is a very serious matter.

At least he had the appeal to the Court of Appeals and got justice.

Perhaps another way of looking at this is to say that all criminal trials should be the responsibility of the Judicial Branch of government instead of letting the Executive Branch (i.e. the military) conduct them.

I can understand at one point in our history it made sense to have the military conduct their own trials, but in this day and age it seems like it would make more sense to have retired JAG officers who are outside the influence of the chain of command act as judges and prosecutors.

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Originally posted by Sigfan Roy:
Ok Tac since you found my humor insulting apparently I will ask you a serious question.

Have you ever served in the US military, or any other military?

Just curious due to your inference that your country's simpler way is better than ours.

Sorry for the thread drift.

Yessir, I served in the British Army from 9th September 1967 to 28 August 2000.

And you?

US Coast Guard, subject to the UCMJ from Jun 1978 until Jun 2002.

Thanks for serving in your armed forces. I won't question your opinion then on our UCMJ, which is why I asked the question.

Surprised that a career military person would prefer civilian courts over military for military crimes but we can agree to disagree on that.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:

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So the prosecutor didn’t want the cause of death to come out because they wanted to send Senior Chief to jail......these motherfuckers, each one of them from the prosecutor to the admiral and everyone in between need to immediately be arrested, reduced to O-1 and then discharged with a bad conduct discharge ensuring they will not get a retirement. This should include whomever originated the charges....what a shitshow. Talk about a railroading....

I would prefer E-1, Otherwise I'm good with all your suggestions.