We are finishing our basement and our making some final decisions on our AV system (We are still framing so we have the ability to make changes). As such, Mrs. BB61 is wondering if the Sigforum brain trust has any experience with the following Klipsch speakers:

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_...h=klipsch_flat_panel

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_...ipsch_floor_speakers

If we do the flat panel speakers, we will get a third one for a center speaker. If we do the floor stand model, we will get a separate center speaker for dialogue.

As an FYI, we are going Klipsch as we are able to buy them at cost plus a small margin that can’t be beat. We would consider other Klipsch models however.

In addition, any suggestions regarding these two receivers?

Dennon:
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_...ennon_s950h&skipvs=T

Yamaha:
https://www.costco.com/Yamaha-...oduct.100456240.html

Obviously, we are not going high-end. We are simply looking for a decent system that we can watch a movie or a game and one that the kids will like playing xBox on and having friends over to watch a movie and hangout. We are putting Klipsch speakers in the ceiling but we are solid on that choice.

Thanks!

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I do not have those speakers or either receiver.

I do have a Yamaha that is a little older model than the one you show and really like their products. I'm also a Costco fan so the Yamaha gets my nod.

When I looked at the Dennon line most of them had known issues with running hot. That is to say they will require adequate ventilation if you go that way.

Please wire and plan for a sub also. It will really make a difference you all will enjoy.

Cheers~

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Originally posted by slyguy:
I do not have those speakers or either receiver.

I do have a Yamaha that is a little older model than the one you show and really like their products. I'm also a Costco fan so the Yamaha gets my nod.

When I looked at the Dennon line most of them had known issues with running hot. That is to say they will require adequate ventilation if you go that way.

Please wire and plan for a sub also. It will really make a difference you all will enjoy.

Cheers~

My exact same experience a few years back. My Receiver is now 5 years old, but Yamaha has been a go to for me over the years. I use little USB fans that plug into the 5V USB ports on receiver and they come on with the receiver when I power it up, stupidly simple and easy.

And YES, use a separate sub. I love it when watching stuff like StarWars and battle scenes.

Where do you place the fans behind or in front of the receiver of one in front and one behind?
And yes, I should have mentioned a 12” Klipsch sub is part of the package.

Thanks!

I'm a big fan of Yamaha audio equipment.

Bought their first home theater sound processor in 1987, the DSP-1, and their top integrated ampli the A1 years later.
They are both still working.

Can't go wrong with Yamaha.

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Denon .

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Was in that business long ago.
Always liked Denon but both are quality brands.
Look over the features of each and decide.
You won't hear any difference though so decide on how it interfaces with your system.
The price difference is not enough to sway, IMO.

I have had dennon for years. I was very much a dennon man. I had a chance to buy my dream set of apperion speakers when living in ct, oddly enough from a guy who lived in one of trump's buildings. He gave me an onkyo tx sr876. I liked it so much my next two receivers have been Onkyo.

I currently have two of these.
Onkyo TX-RZ820 THX-Certified 7.2-Channel

FWIW, it's Denon not Dennon.

Contact Paducah Home Theater for great prices on Klipsch.

I have the RP600M bookshelf speakers with the RP500C and very happy. The center is the most important. I use a Denon x2500 almost the same as your link. It does a good job and has more features that I would use.

The RP series is very clear and natural sounding. Not overly bright at all.

The best addition was a Monolith 10” subwoofer.

I’ve had a Yamaha RXV-765 receiver for quite a while. Buying today, I prefer Denon because Audyssey room correction is superior to Yamaha’s YPAO.

For $500ish, go to Accessories4Less and pick up a Denon AVR-X3400.

https://www.accessories4less.c...ceiver-w/heos/1.html

I haven't heard the speakers or either receiver. However, Klipsch and Denon are both historically bright, and generally bright speakers are not a good match for a bright receiver.

For example, I can watch college football for hours and hours on my soundbar, but if I play through my Denon receiver (bright) and my Definitive Technology speakers (bright) then I'm tired of watching the game by the 3rd quarter.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
I haven't heard the speakers or either receiver. However, Klipsch and Denon are both historically bright, and generally bright speakers are not a good match for a bright receiver.

For example, I can watch college football for hours and hours on my soundbar, but if I play through my Denon receiver (bright) and my Definitive Technology speakers (bright) then I'm tired of watching the game by the 3rd quarter.

In all fairness the term "bright" is a subjective term without definition.
Additionally, there are plenty of ways to adjust acoustics in most environments.

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Originally posted by smschulz:

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
I haven't heard the speakers or either receiver. However, Klipsch and Denon are both historically bright, and generally bright speakers are not a good match for a bright receiver.

For example, I can watch college football for hours and hours on my soundbar, but if I play through my Denon receiver (bright) and my Definitive Technology speakers (bright) then I'm tired of watching the game by the 3rd quarter.

In all fairness the term "bright" is a subjective term without definition.
Additionally, there are plenty of ways to adjust acoustics in most environments.

In all fairness, while difficult to define with words it's a lot like lewd behavior in that a reasonable persons knows it when they see it / hear it.

The Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-280F seems technically a more musical speaker. They would be louder with the same power 98db vs 94db sensitivity. Be able to handle twice the power 150 watts vs 75 watts and will have better bass 32hz vs 55hz.

Don't think just loud but think dynamic range.

Will you be using \ adding a subwoofer?

Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-640D
Sensitivity 94 dB
Power handling: 75 watts (RMS) / 300 watts (peak)
55-25,000 Hz (±3dB)

Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-280F
Sensitivity: 98 dB
Power handling: up to 150 watts RMS (600 watts peak)
32-25,000 (±3dB)

I think those are very good selections. I have those floor standing Klipsch's in the Reference series, with 4 Klipsch R51's as the surround and height, R-34C center and dual R-10 subs. Using a Denon S740H, it passes 4K as advertised. I like the way it all sounds, took me a bit to figure out what settings I liked. I did set up using the Audyssey correction. Good Atmos and other surround. I like the HEOS feature. This is my first Denon, was previously Sony. No experience with those flat panel speakers, I have seen them but they would not work in my room/mounting locations.

I have had a Klipsch Copper Reference 5.1 speaker setup for a number of years now and a Denon 3400 since last year and love the combination. Gets rave reviews from the family and guests alike. Great for an immersive, powerful, and crystal clear surround sound experience, daily general viewing use, 4K connectivity/passthrough, as well as pure musical enjoyment. I like the easy setup and menu system of the Denon too and find it to perform noticeably clearer and crisper than the Yamaha, Sony, and Onkyo I've had in the past. I will say that I would still consider a Yamaha or even a Sony over the Onkyo I had which I was not happy with at all and was with us the shortest amount of time of all the receivers due to the comparatively lackluster performance and its quirks and idiosyncrasies (like the freaking noisy and annoying randomly clicking relays).

The first question is what are your goals as it pertains to speakers? Are you sticking to simple 5.1, 7.1? Are you going to want to hook up Atmos? If so, 2 channels or 4? Many questions to answer first. What are the dimensions of the room?

JBL is blowing out their 5 series for cheap. I just did 7.1.4 (expanding to 7.2.4 in a few months) utilizing all JBL speakers. I spent $1680 for 11 speakers. 2 floor standing fronts, center, surrounds, rears, and 4 Atmos speakers hung as front/rear heights. Then I took advantage of the way below cost deals and put together a 5.1.2 system for my bedroom.

2 things you don't want to skimp on, sub(s) and your AVR (If you aren't going to run independent amps). You definitely want a sub, and 2 is preferable.

AVR Denon or Marantz (Owned by same company). Audyssey 32 is excellent and the way to go over Yamaha.

First thing to decide is how many channels you want to run, 5.1, or 7.1 then decide if Atmos is on the menu. I would definitely factor in Atmos if it were me. It's worth every penny. The 4k Atmos blu rays are killer and with the right panel better than going to the movie theater. The ceiling mounted or height speakers create a bubble of sound around you and over your head.

Cost effective subs, HSU research is my go to. The VTF3 Mk5 is the best bang for the buck sub on the market, and very powerful. I would not buy a Klipsch sub, no way. Bang for the buck, Monolith (prefer the 12"), HSU, Rhythmik, PSA, and last would be SVS. Don't skimp on the sub.

AVR is completely dependent on how many channels you want to run. And power is dependent on your basement room dimensions.

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Originally posted by slyguy:
I do not have those speakers or either receiver.

I do have a Yamaha that is a little older model than the one you show and really like their products. I'm also a Costco fan so the Yamaha gets my nod.

When I looked at the Dennon line most of them had known issues with running hot. That is to say they will require adequate ventilation if you go that way.

Please wire and plan for a sub also. It will really make a difference you all will enjoy.

Cheers~

Any AVR, where you aren't just using it for processing (powers the speakers in other words) it is advised to run an Aircom Infinity module on top of it. It has fans that pull away heat from the AVR and exhausts it front, top, or side depending on model. $79.99 and worth every penny. I run S8's on both of my AVR's. (Marantz SR8012 and Denon X3500H)

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Originally posted by tatortodd: ... while difficult to define with words it's a lot like lewd behavior in that a reasonable persons knows it when they see it / hear it.

I don't doubt that but nevertheless it is still subjective.
Much like a review of a fine cigar or a nice whisky.
Not a bad thing but definitely not quantifiable.
Back in the seventies we could actually hear the most minute sonic differences of a some high end moving coil phono cartridges especially when senses were heightened herbily.