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Originally posted by chbibc:
Wonderful, just wonderful.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
Friend of mine sent me this. It’s kind of a long read but it makes the stuff we are doing seem like tossing deck chairs off the Titanic to make the ship lighter all while crushing the middle class.

Shipping pollution

They have never tried to regulate the one overwhelming source of manmade pollution, not once in human history. Container ships.

Some facts about bulk container ships:
* They burn bunker crude. The most polluting fuel source on the planet.
* Two giant bulk container freighters produce more carbon and greenhouse pollutants annually than every single car, truck, plane and train in the United States combined.
* One bulk container freighter produces approximately 4 coal power plants worth of greenhouse gasses every year.
* 10 bulk container freighters produce about the same greenhouse gas emissions as all the worlds internal combustion engine powered things (cars, trucks, planes, trains, diesel pumps, etc.)

Now for the really, REALLY, important fact:
* - There's 70,000 of them on the ocean. 20,000-30,000 of which are of the largest bulk variety.

Thus, we could remove all the cars, motorcycles, planes, trucks, tanks, jets, pleasure boats in the entire world, and if you don't regulate the container ships... the entire world could go back to the horse and buggy and it would reduce global emissions by less than 1 one hundredth of 1 percent.

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Originally posted by HRK:
Wonder if the "Soprano" boys will be selling gas appliances in Jersey for black market import into NYC....

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Originally posted by reloader-1:

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
Friend of mine sent me this. It’s kind of a long read but it makes the stuff we are doing seem like tossing deck chairs off the Titanic to make the ship lighter all while crushing the middle class.

Shipping pollution

They have never tried to regulate the one overwhelming source of manmade pollution, not once in human history. Container ships.

I’m baffled as to why Republicans have never tried the “environmental approach” when it comes to trade with China. Ban it, or tax the heck out of it because of “carbon impact”.

We will still import things from Europe, because they are high value, but Democrats would have to support this. Win/win as it weans us off of China…

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
Friend of mine sent me this. It’s kind of a long read but it makes the stuff we are doing seem like tossing deck chairs off the Titanic to make the ship lighter all while crushing the middle class.

Shipping pollution

They have never tried to regulate the one overwhelming source of manmade pollution, not once in human history. Container ships.

Some facts about bulk container ships:
* They burn bunker crude. The most polluting fuel source on the planet.
* Two giant bulk container freighters produce more carbon and greenhouse pollutants annually than every single car, truck, plane and train in the United States combined.
* One bulk container freighter produces approximately 4 coal power plants worth of greenhouse gasses every year.
* 10 bulk container freighters produce about the same greenhouse gas emissions as all the worlds internal combustion engine powered things (cars, trucks, planes, trains, diesel pumps, etc.)

Now for the really, REALLY, important fact:
* - There's 70,000 of them on the ocean. 20,000-30,000 of which are of the largest bulk variety.

Thus, we could remove all the cars, motorcycles, planes, trucks, tanks, jets, pleasure boats in the entire world, and if you don't regulate the container ships... the entire world could go back to the horse and buggy and it would reduce global emissions by less than 1 one hundredth of 1 percent.

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Originally posted by mark60:
They were already trying to ban wood stoves and fireplaces last year. That died down for now but will surely come back up again.

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Originally posted by corsair:

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Originally posted by mark60:
They were already trying to ban wood stoves and fireplaces last year. That died down for now but will surely come back up again.

Actually surprised that didn't come first. The enviros have been on the ban wood burning crusade for decades citing air particulates/global warming. Banning natural gas and insisting on all-electric large appliances just encourages energy monopolies while burdening the populace with less energy options.

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Originally posted by TSE:

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Originally posted by corsair:

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Originally posted by mark60:
They were already trying to ban wood stoves and fireplaces last year. That died down for now but will surely come back up again.

Actually surprised that didn't come first. The enviros have been on the ban wood burning crusade for decades citing air particulates/global warming. Banning natural gas and insisting on all-electric large appliances just encourages energy monopolies while burdening the populace with less energy options.

Ironically Europe sees wood burning as green and North America ships huge quantities of wood pellets to Europe for their fireplaces/furnaces.