Man, Prefontaine's insightful post is why I'm paralyzed in moving away from my current location. There are both positive and negative aspects of the current location. The big negatives at the moment are restrictions on freedom and financials (various taxes, cost of living). Currently able to overcome the financials but can't do anything about the freedoms unless I move out of state.

But again, there are significant positives to the current location as well.

My nightmare is, after all is said and done, that I dislike the new location more than more current. I'm in a perpetual state of 'grass is greener' but 'grass is grass wherever you are' and I'm paralyzed for now.

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Originally posted by sigspecops:
I live a few miles down the road from Prosper. I’ve been there many times. It wasn’t that long ago Prosper was a tiny farming community. Then all the surrounding growth overtook it.
Now it’s a small affluent suburb. It’s fairly conservative for now, but Prosper like other nearby cities is being overrun with Indians.
I hope your Nephew enjoys living here, but be warned, there’s practically no nature in the area to be enjoyed, it’s flat as a pancake and hot as hell. It’s Texas though, so there’s that.

American Indian, or Indian subcontinent? Just curious.

He is referring to people from India.

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Originally posted by bcereuss:

American Indian, or Indian subcontinent? Just curious.

Dot not feather.

Here’s an eye popping chart for you.

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Originally posted by smlsig:


Is this you?
https://youtube.com/shorts/vxD...?si=weJNN6uOaw7DRzRj

That's fucking funny. I'm glad the guy's having fun but no way I would do it.

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Originally posted by smlsig:

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Originally posted by tatortodd:

Need to eat fried chicken at one of the Babe's Chicken locations (probably Frisco). For the love of God, do not go there on your birthday. There is a video floating around the Internet somewhere of me wearing a chicken hat while the restaurant sings happy birthday to me.

Is this you?
https://youtube.com/shorts/vxD...?si=weJNN6uOaw7DRzRj

Same birthday schtick but I'm older and less muscular

I'm just happy that so many people are moving to Texas and Tennessee.

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Originally posted by architect:
All things come in shades of gray. I suspect we DC area residents would laugh at what Texans consider "bad traffic."

I’ve been to DC, Baltimore, NYC, Philly, New Jersey, most East Coast major cities. Driven around all of them too, in and out of rush hour. I’ve also been to LA, the Bay, Portland, Seattle, lived in Seattle for a year. It’s all relative. So you, as a DC expert, what would your feelings be if all of a sudden people started flooding in there? New high rise apartment buildings, one after the next, after the next, after the next, after the next, million+ people move in and around it? 100 people a day flooding in? The highways/roads you use, change, seemingly overnight, and the traffic just keeps increasing exponentially? See here in DFW, in 2016, the population was approximately 7.23 million. 2026, Q1, 8.6 million. Via Google and AI “2026, driven by an addition of roughly 100+ new residents daily. The region has seen rapid growth, surpassing 8 million in 2024 and maintaining its position as one of the fastest-growing metropolitan areas in the United States.” A few years ago they predicted we’d tie Chicago by 2028 for #3 metro in the US, and by 2030 tie #2, LA, for second largest in the nation. That’s quite a change for millions of Texans who never asked for that, nor voted on it, etc. What is their benefit from this? Who here wants to live in Los Angeles but without the commie politics? Even without the politics I’m betting a lot of people would politely say “no thanks, I’ll pass.”

You think us native Texans living in a major TX metro are just bitching to bitch? Let this happen to where you live, anywhere in the continental United States, hell add in Alaska and Hawaii as well. See how you like it. Property taxes skyrocket (great if you are selling today, shit if you aren’t), homeowners insurance skyrockets. Utilities go up because you know there is only so much power and grid available, as well as water. When have you ever heard of infrastructure keeping up? That’s more than the grid and water sources, that’s roads, highways, all of it. It takes many years to build new highways, if even possible, some a decade or longer. So then flip to your commute to your job, which now requires double the time due to the population explosion. My service manager, where I just booked a recall appointment this week for a vehicle, he told me his commute is 2 hours each way now. And he made sure to mention that’s if there isn’t a wreck. Then you flip to any contractor you may need on the house. HVAC, certified electrician, plumber, roofer, name it. Now they’ve all raised up their prices for work because they can, even though your own wages have not increased to offset. If you won’t pay them their blood money, there is a new subdivision up in Prosper, Celina, New Hope, Blue Ridge, Van Alstyne, Denton, that will. I could give you 20 towns where this is going on, simultaneously. Then say you want to sell your home, in Dallas proper, or Plano, or Lewisville, or whatever. Well you’ve got large subdivision builders in these “new” communities up north subsidizing selling their big F off homes, offering lower % rates, incentives, etc. Now take whatever your home was worth, and decrease it, to sell. Maybe that’s a home you’ve been in for 10 years, 20 years, and you needed that equity to fund bailing out. See that’s where many people here land, in fact millions of them. And people have to change employers. Average length of employment in many sectors is just a few years before a company change. That 30 minute commute turns into 2 hours. So you want to move, sell your home, and buy another, but people from Cali are flooding in, and home sales turn into a bidding war, bidding once attainable property into unobtainable. That’s a running joke here, “I’d move if I could afford it.” They can’t. These employers locally aren’t raising employee wages to offset the increase in cost of living.

See this is not Washington DC. This is an extreme weather state. My fellow natives down South already have to deal with Hurricanes coming in off the Gulf. And the extreme heat and humidity. The ridiculous property taxes and homeowners insurance. Hail, tornadoes for us up in the Northern part of the state but that can hit in many areas of our state. When the cost of living was what it was before, we all put up with it and didn’t say much about it. Just part of life. And we could drive out of the metro, 20 minutes, 30 minutes, 40 minutes, and get rural, get a break. Go ride or drive around, get some spacing. Have a nice drive out to a ma/pa restaurant, take the missus. Weekends, go visit family or friends across the metro and not have it turn into an all day battle commuting to/from, fighting in traffic. Not have to pay ridiculous toll charges round trip. I’ve got people in Tarrant County. It’s $20+ in tolls just to see them, and that’s not even the gas. Don’t take the toll road, add more time and frustration to the commute. In fact I have to game the time of day 7 days a week to do anything now. 9am and on, tolerable, lunch time, skip, and within an hour of rush hour cranking up, forget it. Rush hour? Oh boy you’re proper F’d, especially Mon-Thurs. A lot of people wfh on Fridays so Friday is not the rule, it’s the exception. Time of day, etc, you end up having to turn into a ninja, with date/time to do simple things.

So it’s all relative. You can’t use some narrative, or some comparison. That’s internet nonsense. Context is important, with this or anything in life. sigspecops said it already, and it’s true for me as well. I can longer get outside and do outdoor activities I once enjoyed for my entire life. Subdivision hell and construction ate it all. Hundreds of square miles, vanished into suburban sprawl. Something that used to take a half hour commute to/from, is now 90 minutes each way. Or it’s been eradicated altogether. Have over a million + people move into your hood and take away your way of life and see how it takes. If you don’t live here, haven’t experienced this, how would you know anything about it? It’s not your life and livelihood. It’s pretty easy to backseat drive and finger point vs. living it. If you lived here 10 or 20 years ago or something, still irrelevant.

There are places in Tarrant County and several other counties that are still fine. I could tell you exactly where, down to the exact square miles but I know some are on this forum that live in these places and I don’t want that smoke. They don’t want it there. Don’t want it broadcast either. This massive wave hasn’t hit them yet. It will, and you can set a stop watch or calendar because it’s coming. And regarding moderation. I tell the truth. Think it’s some 1/2 truth, or concocted, well you pay for the lie detector test and give me a day/time, and I’ll make arrangements to be there. The man asked. Nobody who is honest would want a flood of people moving in all around them, all the same time, year after year. Not these numbers anyway. Take away the heavily increased cost of living, and traffic and I’m good. This is so much more than that. It’s a way of life. 5.5 million people increase in the state over the last 10 years. And most of that is Austin (you think I’m rough, talk to them), DFW, and Houston. And most of that seems the past 5 years. It ain’t a light rain, it’s a flood.

Preach it brother! I could have written the same thing. I’ve seen the inevitable slow growth for a long time, but the last five years has been a nuclear population explosion. You go to bed in a small, sleepy town surrounded by pastures and trees, then wake up in a concrete jungle.

Thread drift, sorry.

Right, and I said more than once. This was all part of the covid plan. Kill off the poor and elderly and flood the rural more conservative, God fearing communities with the more liberal, progressive types coming from area's that were not of the same ilk.

Every rural state and area has been negatively impacted and forever changed and not for the better.

And that was just a trial run.

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Originally posted by sigspecops:
Preach it brother! I could have written the same thing. I’ve seen the inevitable slow growth for a long time, but the last five years has been a nuclear population explosion. You go to bed in a small, sleepy town surrounded by pastures and trees, then wake up in a concrete jungle.

I lived in the DFW area for 40 years. I lived in the Prosper city limits in the early 2000's on 20 acres before most people ever heard of Prosper.
I left the north Dallas area 5 years ago, thankfully.

Anyway, to put the DFWF (Dallas-Ft. Worth-Frisco) area into perspective, the combined population of Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Kansas is about 10.2M. The population of the greater DFWF metro area has grown to over 8M and continues to grow. (All according to Grok.)

The last time I was in the area was about 3 years ago. I could tell traffic was worse than when I left and I stayed north of 635. I'm headed back in a few months and I'm anxious to see what its like now in 2026.

To the OP, to understand the area you need to understand Frisco. Prosper is a suburb north of Frisco. High School football stadiums are $ 8-figure affairs. Texans take HS football serious. Many corporations have relocated to Frisco over the years. As I recall, there is a section of the North Dallas Tollway in Frisco referred to as the 'trillion dollar mile'.

Its crazy and sad how big and fast the area has grown. From what I'm hearing, DFWF is probably more like LA than the "Texas" I knew just 10 years ago.