My DL was up for re-newal. Ohio has a new license that has some kind of Federal ties that supposedly allows you to fly the friendly skies easier.
I downloaded a list of things I needed to take from the Ohio BMV website.
1. Birth Certificate or Passport.CHECK
2. Two forms of picture ID. CHECK
3. A bill or bank statement with your name and address on it.CHECK.
4. SS Card. CHECK
I go to the DMV at 0730 figuring they open at 0800 and I would be there in line. I was number 6.
I get to window 2 and tell the young lady I need to renew my DL and she asked for my Birth Cert. I pull it out of the manilla envelope and hand it to her. She looks it over and says " I can not accept this"
Why not I say. No answer. You will need to go to the Health Dept and get a certified birth certificate.. Why won't this work, I asked again. No response. And again told I can get one from the Health Dept.
I used that birth cert. when I was 14 to get a SS card when I started working.
I used that cert. to prove my age when I got my first DL.
I used that cert when I joined the Navy in 1971, but now it's not good enough to get the stinking new federal approved DL.
I was more than just a little pissed when I walked out of there.
Crazy thing is I applied by mail for a certified Birth Certificate by filling out a form with the exact same info that was on my birth cert I already have. Just send in a check for $25
If it doesn't make sense there is a $ in it

Hah you had it easy.

in 2004 I moved away from the east coast to Colorado. Go to the DMV with my previous license, original birth certificate, etc. Get up the counter, and apparently my New Jersey birth certificate is now worthless. Seems all the 9/11 hijackers used NJ birth certs for fake documents, so they're no longer accepted, I need a new one.

I call NJ. They say "Fax us a copy of your drivers license and we'll send a new copy there sometime in the next couple weeks." Well, that's no good, I don't live there, I'm 1700 miles away. I have to take the only other option. I hop a flight. I show up in Trenton which is the only spot in the entire state you can get a replacement birth certificate at the time. I'm there before it opens.

At 5pm, I'm finally next in line but they're closing. At least they let me plead my case and they let me get a few copies of a new birth certificate. I fly back the next morning. I get my license finally.

A couple years later I'm getting a new passport and send in my documents including my nice new shiny birth certificate. My packet gets returned with no new passport. My new New Jersey birth certificate, that I had to fly out and get because my original wasn't worth the paper it was printed on, also wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. I had to apply for a new new New Jersey birth certificate. At least this time I didn't have to fly out but it still took a couple weeks to get before I could resubmit for my passport.

Both of the above problems were created by our government in response to 9/11. That is just the tip of the iceberg. The Patriot Act contains all kinds of new hassles for Americans. I found out some time ago I could not mail in a certified check to open a Money Market Account. It was ok for subsequent deposits, just not the intial.

az requirements spelled out certified birth certificate or passport for tsa/az travel id.

Anyone who has to deal with this crap... good luck!

Mom's birth certificate wasn't certified... so no good.
Birth certificate was never registered with the county... so they couldn't provide one either!

We had to get school records (had to be sealed by the school), birth certificate for oldest son (born in the same state), marriage application from the courthouse (marriage license wouldn't work) and a bunch of other crap.... send it all in and they would create one.

Took several months, several phone calls and a bunch of bullshit to finally get it taken care of... she now has a real birth certificate and was able to get her new drivers license.

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Originally posted by rexles:
My DL was up for re-newal. Ohio has a new license that has some kind of Federal ties that supposedly allows you to fly the friendly skies easier.

Real I.D. And it's not easier, but possible. IOW: No Real I.D., or passport, no flying after a certain date.

Dunno what's going on in Ohio, but, when I renewed my Michigan DL early this year, I think my U.S. passport and existing DL were all that were required to establish my identity and residence.

Makes one wonder how illegals come to get driver's licenses in many socialist paradises like Illinois?

Takeaway for all is if you don’t have a couple certified (i.e. with raised seal) copies in your safe for you and all family get some. You’ll really appreciate this when your birth hospital closes, county offices burn, etc.

It’s a m8nor hassle at your leisure. It’s a PITA when under a deadline.

Friend of mine works for the local EMS. He was delivered by a midwife. She did not file anything when he was born...back then it wasn't a problem. He has to have his DL for his job. Last time I talked to he didn't know what he was going to do about getting a renewal.

The old security-versus-convenience problem. How do you make it hard for the wrong people while keeping it easy for the right people? You can't, so you compromise at some level.

As one of the good guys, I share your frustration.

Fortunately - I hope - I had to have a certified copy of my birth certificate the last time I renewed my CHL, so when my current DL expires I'll be ready. I hope. I've never had a passport in my life, never needed one. The only places I ever went were Canada and Mexico, and that was long enough ago that it wasn't needed. Not that I have any plans to do any international traveling, but I'm wondering if I shouldn't go ahead and get a passport "just because".

Went through this when the rules changed, I'm standing there with a FL DL, and can't get a new FL DL, without all these requirements.

I'm thinking you got to be shitting me, I can't renew my FL DL that I"ve had for 15 plus years with a new FL DL...

But I get it, how many FL drivers had an ID obtained illegally that shouldn't be renewed, guessing the process is to clean out those who shouldn't have ID's, especially to be cleared to fly easier...

Just get a passport and the passport wallet card. Both allow flight on airlines and its good for 10 years.

I feel your pain. I had to get a new drivers license with Real ID recently. Same situation as you. I have a nice parchment paper embossed Birth Certificate from the Pensacola Naval Air Station hospital - was good all my life for the same as you SS card, drivers license, passport, US Navy. Nope sorry you need to have one from the county (blah blah blah is what I heard). SS card had some tape on it I put on when I first got it, nope need a new one. Couple months later got the new documents - PITA.

For my wife our Marriage Certificate we have used for 40+ years, nope no good this doesn't certify your name change, you need to send away to get another. Likewise she needed a new birth certificate.

Not sure how we made it all these years.

GA wasn’t too bad. The worst part was that it took a couple weeks to get and in the meantime they take your old license and give you a temp paper license. So if you don’t have a passport there’s no way you’ll get on a plane.

FL had stricter rules on what they would accept as proof which was strange since I thought the rules were supposed to be the same. For instance in GA my DD214 served as proof of my SS number. In FL I had to have my SS card, which I did not have so had to order.

FL does print the license right there which is great though.

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Originally posted by 2BobTanner:
Just get a passport and the passport wallet card. Both allow flight on airlines and its good for 10 years.

For air travel yes. But next time you need a DL you’ll have to go through this anyway. So a passport doesn’t solve the problem. It only delays it.

It's like the old joke "There's no reason for it, it's just policy".

Around 20 years ago I needed an official copy of my birth certificate. I had to go down to the state office that handled this. They handed me a copy which they had red stamped "Original Copy".

Well apparently that was good enough then but not now. Apparently I need to go through this again and get another Official Copy with some other sort of official authentication on it.

Oh, and I have to pay $$$ again to get this done, and of course with the covid crap crisis this is more difficult to accomplish.
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For air travel yes. But next time you need a DL you’ll have to go through this anyway. So a passport doesn’t solve the problem. It only delays it.

Kentucky has 2 versions of a DL; the regular one that has always been there, and the newer air-travel approved version. The newer version has been FUBARed since roll-out, as only limited locations statewide to apply.

My current DL was renewed last year and is good for 4 years. Maybe by next renewal they’ll have figured out the problems and have corrected them. Until then, I have my passport card should the need arise for flying. Additionally, I’m a military retiree, so that ID card works getting onto military bases and FedGov facilities.

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Originally posted by 610:
Friend of mine works for the local EMS. He was delivered by a midwife. She did not file anything when he was born...back then it wasn't a problem. He has to have his DL for his job. Last time I talked to he didn't know what he was going to do about getting a renewal.

In some states, you can still get an old-style non-"Real ID" state driver's license. He should check and see if that's an option where you are.

He can't use it for federal purposes, like getting on a plane. But he can still use it for state purposes, like driving, buying alcohol, etc.

Several years back Hudson County in northern NJ had so much fraud in relation to immigration with the birth certificates issued that they were no longer deemed acceptable for any Federal applications such as passports and possibly dl's.

Any applicants had to obtain a certified copy from the state for those purposes.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Dunno what's going on in Ohio, but, when I renewed my Michigan DL early this year, I think my U.S. passport and existing DL were all that were required to establish my identity and residence.

To get a RealID, I showed up with my passport and current DL. Figured that would do it, but no, they also require a utility bill to show something, I don't know what. I mean, my address is already on my DL.