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In 2008: Original cost estimated at $33B, 65M-95M passengers per year, $55 fee each way. (LA to SF) Now: Cost estimated at $68B, 30M passengers per year, $89 fee each way. On-line estimate 2033 Your taxpayer dollars at work in the great state! ___________________________________________ The annual soothsayers and fortunetellers conference has been canceled due to unforeseen circumstances. | ||
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If you look deeper and closer you will likely find that $89 (each way) is subsidized ~$200 each way and the time required for the travel is 3x - 4x the time it would require an aircraft to fly the route. So - $600 round trip and 3 times the amount of time when compared to an airline. If that jackwagon(s) in Sacramento (moonbeam in particular) had decided to spend that money on water desalination, SF and LA would not be needing to steal the central valley farmers' water. Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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I don't understand how they figure so many people need to commute between north and south, anyway. If people aren't using it for commuting, then they should very well be able to endure a six hour road trip. "I'm yet another resource-consuming kid in an overpopulated planet raised to an alarming extent by Hollywood and Madison Avenue, poised with my cynical and alienated peers to take over the world when you're old and weak!" - Calvin, "Calvin & Hobbes" | |||
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| Set out once to become the world's greatest procrastinator, but never got around to it |
No doubt there will be subsidies - just more tax dollars spent but well-hidden from plain view. And I agree 100% on water programs. If not desalinization, then more dams and reservoirs to catch the natural rain & snowmelt. But no, that might endanger the three remaining 1/4" long "truncated fuckdoodles" that live in some obscure marsh! If I were a swearing man... ___________________________________________ The annual soothsayers and fortunetellers conference has been canceled due to unforeseen circumstances. | |||
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One of the many reasons I like our governor is he refused this same project. It was to go between Orlando and Tampa and was to have so many stops there was never going to be anything high speed about it. “We truly live in a wondrous age of stupid.” - 83v45magna "I think it's important that people understand free speech doesn't mean free from consequences societally or politically or culturally." -Pranjit Kalita, founder and CIO of Birkoa Capital Management | |||
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What are the chances of it getting done for less than $100B as they say. ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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Yes, the mayor of the city closest to us had that as his pet project for about 5 years. He wanted it to run to Chicago and back. He tried to get the state to subsidize it too. The people around here were not buying it and voted it down several times, before he let it go. With his politics, he belongs in chicago or San fran. He is facing his stiffest competition for mayor in his 20 year career this november. I do not live in the city, but it is a cesspool. Good luck with your money pit. NRA Life Endowment member Tri-State Gun collectors Life Member | |||
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Not exactly, they're still doing the Miami to Orlando part of it. http://www.allaboardflorida.com/ | |||
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| The Unmanned Writer |
Some where between zero and less than zero Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
Because it's a great way to siphon off "government" money and give it to their buddies. Remember how they said they needed to replace the bay bridge because it was unsafe then the replacement had a lot of flaws like using substandard screws. The hubbub lasted for a while but it was eventually stamped out. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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CA is a lost cause. Move. | |||
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| Ice age heat wave, cant complain.  |
Right. But as you can see, he was referencing Orlando to Tampa, which is asinine to say the least. NRA Life Member Steak: Rare. Coffee: Black. Bourbon: Neat. | |||
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Since the same government officials are driving all the business/industry out of the state there is really no need for this. | |||
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| The success of a solution usually depends upon your point of view |
Completely different animal. The high speed line came with billions of federal money and all the requirements that go with it. This is more of a private competitor to Amtrak. They are expecting to make a profit and a Miami to Orlando using existing right-of-ways makes a certain amount of sense. The high speed train was just about getting federal money and letting the future deal with the consequences. “We truly live in a wondrous age of stupid.” - 83v45magna "I think it's important that people understand free speech doesn't mean free from consequences societally or politically or culturally." -Pranjit Kalita, founder and CIO of Birkoa Capital Management | |||
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AllaboardFlorida is the same way. They raised the money to modify the tracks and get the trains, but not to operate the darn thing. Honestly a high speed rail from Miami to Orlando to Tampa would make a lot of sense for moving goods......Our infrastructure in regards to how roads, rail, subways, busses in this country really sucks compared to Europe and the traffic in South Florida, Orando, and Tampa has really gotten out of hand. | |||
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Ah, but CA doesn't like building roads. Wasting money, and putting the wasted money into politically correct hands...now that, they like a lot! | |||
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| women dug his snuff and his gallant stroll |
Wait until someone suggests parts of it need to be underground and Big Bertha 2 is necessary. | |||
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| Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
Come on guys! Give ol' moonbeam a break! His state in only TWO TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT, and that continues to increase. What is another couple hundred billion in new debt? The state is actually bankrupt, but ol' moonbeam continues to spend like the drunken fool his is. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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Yeah but they went ahead with the Brightline boondoggle...All Aboard Florida is what was "cancelled" by Scott, but we then rebranded and later signed up for the Brightline which economically is not sustainable. I'm not a fan of these big government subsidized projects. They don't work, at least in today's world. “Forigive your enemy, but remember the bastard’s name.” -Scottish proverb | |||
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